ID Checks between Sweden and Danish borders
Jan 7, 2016, 5:20 am
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The German national ID is not issued to non-citizens... the Swedes also issue a national ID like the Germans, but only to Swedish citizens. My wife has one, works great inside the EU. Why the 'nationellt id-kort' costs 400SEK (vs 350 for a passport) is beyond me, but it is what it is...
Jan 7, 2016, 6:10 am
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The German national ID is not issued to non-citizens... the Swedes also issue a national ID like the Germans, but only to Swedish citizens. My wife has one, works great inside the EU. Why the 'nationellt id-kort' costs 400SEK (vs 350 for a passport) is beyond me, but it is what it is...
Jan 7, 2016, 7:57 am
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There are various forms of Swedish ID, but the Skatteverket ID available to all with a Swedish personal number (whether citizens or not) is not an ID that is valid for cross-border travel -- at least not by rail.
Some Swedish driving licenses and some other non-DL/non-passport Swedish IDs are being accepted for cross-border travel by rail if they indicate citizenship.
I'm sure some people are still making it by rail when technically they are subject to being stopped due to inadequate ID if taking the train. The Swedish authorities probably don't know it all. Especially when you factor in the following kind of experience that I observed this week:
Some Swedish driving licenses and some other non-DL/non-passport Swedish IDs are being accepted for cross-border travel by rail if they indicate citizenship.
I'm sure some people are still making it by rail when technically they are subject to being stopped due to inadequate ID if taking the train. The Swedish authorities probably don't know it all. Especially when you factor in the following kind of experience that I observed this week:
Swedish people living abroad (like me) cant get one through them.
But I can get one through the police.
Jan 7, 2016, 8:01 am
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The Skatteverket ID is indeed not from the Swedish police, and what Skatteverket (Swedish IRS) require to issue ID is different from the Swedish police. The ID from Skatteverket seems to be primarily used to get non-Swedish citizens some Swedish ID (since even the Swedish police refuse to accept valid foreign passports as ID under a variety of circumstances).
The Swedish intra-Schengen border checks were until now being approved on a 14 day basis and extended every 14 days; but now they will be approved for a month at a time. So this is now approved to continue at least until February 8th and will then be subject to approval for another month and another month and another month and so on.
So much for the EU/EC standing up for intra-Schengen mobility rights.
As the number of new refugees filing in Germany daily is still in the 3000s per day, intra-Schengen mobility is going to remain in a position to be compromised at this level or more unless and until one or two conditions are met in/near Turkey. And the conditions driving up the demand to leave SW Asia and even parts of Central/South Asia are getting worse and worse due to international power plays. Good luck, Schengen; you'll need it. And good luck, refugees; you'll need it too.
While the latest Swedish and Danish checks are helping out Norway, Finland and maybe even Denmark when it comes to reducing the number of incoming refugees for now, the larger dynamic that creates refugees in SW/C/S Asia isn't changing well enough to alter the demand to leave the region. In other words, these intra-Schengen checks are going to remain in this region for quite some time unless and until they shift to other parts of the Schengen Zone and conditions on the ground elsewhere end up being more peaceful than is currently the case.
The Swedish intra-Schengen border checks were until now being approved on a 14 day basis and extended every 14 days; but now they will be approved for a month at a time. So this is now approved to continue at least until February 8th and will then be subject to approval for another month and another month and another month and so on.
So much for the EU/EC standing up for intra-Schengen mobility rights.
As the number of new refugees filing in Germany daily is still in the 3000s per day, intra-Schengen mobility is going to remain in a position to be compromised at this level or more unless and until one or two conditions are met in/near Turkey. And the conditions driving up the demand to leave SW Asia and even parts of Central/South Asia are getting worse and worse due to international power plays. Good luck, Schengen; you'll need it. And good luck, refugees; you'll need it too.
While the latest Swedish and Danish checks are helping out Norway, Finland and maybe even Denmark when it comes to reducing the number of incoming refugees for now, the larger dynamic that creates refugees in SW/C/S Asia isn't changing well enough to alter the demand to leave the region. In other words, these intra-Schengen checks are going to remain in this region for quite some time unless and until they shift to other parts of the Schengen Zone and conditions on the ground elsewhere end up being more peaceful than is currently the case.
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Jan 7, 2016, 11:50 am
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I'm afraid that as long as Schengen outer borders are not controlled effectively and the already entered "refugees" have been properly taken care of, there is maybe not much choice...
Jan 7, 2016, 1:48 pm
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a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
Jan 7, 2016, 2:58 pm
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Of course,
a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
The Swedish police accept foreign passports as ID by itself when it comes to various functions; that is even as the Swedish police refuse to accept the very same foreign passports as ID by itself when it comes to other functions involving identity/identification too.
Kafka could have used this in his works.
Jan 7, 2016, 3:48 pm
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Of course,
a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
Jan 8, 2016, 3:59 am
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Of course,
a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
a passport is not an ID. It's just for crossing borders. If you need to identify yourself you use your driving license and if you don't have one you will use the ID from Skatteverket.
That a passport technically has been an ID for a decade or so doesn't change the minds of many people.
Is there a reason to get an ID from the police?
Jan 8, 2016, 6:08 am
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Have you tried using a non-Swedish driver licence to deposit money into a bank account or fetch an oversize letter or parcel from the local ombud? I don't know if the Skatteverket ID works but at I know my passport works 100%.
Is there a reason to get an ID from the police?
Is there a reason to get an ID from the police?
Is that "e-legitimation" thing one of the things with which Skatteverket ID and Swedish police-issued ID may help?
Jan 8, 2016, 11:22 am
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Jan 8, 2016, 1:31 pm
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Sure, but as all Swedes know passports were not always accepted as ID. This changed in 1998(or rather for passports from 1998 or later) but old habits die slowly.