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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 25672011)
Which came first: some sort of regulatory exemption from fixed terminal security screening checkpoints (and related screening) for very small commercial flights, or 9/11 and the TSA later in 2011?
1. Safety of other passengers. In this case, a smaller plane means that someone who intends harm has a limited number of people he can hurt. Pax are free to make the decision that they don't want to fly on a plane where pax don't go through security inspection. 2. Safety of the non-flying public. The non-flying public have a safety interest in ensuring that planes aren't turned into weapons. Hence, the general public has grounds to require a reasonable level of security on board aircraft. In this case, a plane with lower speed, size, and range represents less of a danger to the non-flying public, reducing the rationale for spending a given amount of money to secure that plane. Note that I believe that both interests 1 and 2 can be fully satisfied for all types of commercial aviation through, at most, 9/10/01 levels of security (metal detector and baggage x-ray), particularly with reinforced cockpit doors on aircraft. |
Originally Posted by jfunk138
(Post 25661555)
What other airports utilize "reverse" screening?
http://www.heraldandnews.com/news/lo...b2fba7d68.html Some interesting counter material for the sheep that believe we need to screen passengers on all commercial aircraft to protect the non-flying public on the ground from a 9/11 style attack. I would think a 25,000 lb turboprop carrying 500+ gallons of fuel is still very much a "flying missile". Perhaps instead of just whining about things you can outline what should be changed and then dig into the counterarguments of those changes. |
Originally Posted by ou81two
(Post 25673910)
So please outline the alternative. Let's stop screening people so you can just bring handguns onto planes.
Perhaps instead of just whining about things you can outline what should be changed and then dig into the counterarguments of those changes. Meanwhile, you have no problem with an entirely unscreened small airplane landing at a major airport because...?? It's not enough to say that the plane will land away from the terminal and the pax will be bussed to their security screening. That's assuming the pilot of the small aircraft isn't a bad guy who has no intention of landing at a remote parking site. By the time anyone realizes his ill intent, it will be far too late to stop him. |
Originally Posted by ou81two
(Post 25673910)
So please outline the alternative. Let's stop screening people so you can just bring handguns onto planes.
Perhaps instead of just whining about things you can outline what should be changed and then dig into the counterarguments of those changes. Your attitude seems to parallel all that is bad with the TSA. Do you work for them? |
Originally Posted by ou81two
(Post 25673910)
So please outline the alternative. Let's stop screening people so you can just bring handguns onto planes.
Perhaps instead of just whining about things you can outline what should be changed and then dig into the counterarguments of those changes. As for things to change: Smarter clerks Fire clerks who are too learn or do their jobs Fire clerks who abuse passengers End of the Shoe Carnival End of the War on Water Übermenschen screening for all Fire all redundant clerks |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 25674753)
What is your problem? Why do you feel you need to bash others' comments?
Your attitude seems to parallel all that is bad with the TSA. Do you work for them? |
TSA needs to stop worrying about pax. Some of the biggest issues that have come up in the last couple years were those who control the planes or have access to secure areas without need for screening. What next TSA screening for Cessna flights?
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Originally Posted by CDKing
(Post 25676184)
TSA needs to stop worrying about pax. Some of the biggest issues that have come up in the last couple years were those who control the planes or have access to secure areas without need for screening. What next TSA screening for Cessna flights?
Security Theater! |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 25676932)
Good point. TSA has refused to address the insider threat issue and refuses to screen airport workers who have the greatest opportunity to introduce contraband to sterile areas of airports.
Security Theater! |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 25677108)
Everything that I am reading says the crash in Egypt was an explosive placed on the plane by an airport worker.
TSA's failure to screen airport workers is criminally negligent. |
Originally Posted by televisor
(Post 25666650)
As far as I could tell during my brief visit to NZ it was actually dependent on plane size: jets (A320 and bigger) had screening, turboprops (ATR72 and smaller) didn't. Admittedly I only observed this at Christchurch and Queenstown, but my acquaintances there confirmed most domestic flights don't have screening (and were surprised when the A320 flight did have screening). Furthermore, the screeners didn't seem to care about liquids (I seem to remember taking my cup of coffee through the WTMD), but that could just be my memory failing.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 25689973)
Correct (except 737s also screened passengers). Also no silly liquid rule, and no need to remove shoes or belt for domestic.
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Originally Posted by ou81two
(Post 25673910)
So please outline the alternative. Let's stop screening people so you can just bring handguns onto planes.
For Christ's sake, at least TRY to be at least a LITTLE intellectually honest... please? |
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