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Exec_Plat Oct 28, 2015 11:50 am

TSA "Explosive Detected" Graph/Printout...
 
Are these considered 'confidential'? or I guess in TSA speak 'SSI'.


Have looked through google images and never found one.

petaluma1 Oct 28, 2015 11:57 am


Originally Posted by Exec_Plat (Post 25628552)
Are these considered 'confidential'? or I guess in TSA speak 'SSI'.


Have looked through google images and never found one.

Not specifically TSA, but


Explosives detected:

Most of the “sniffers” have a long list of substances that they can detect, and they can be calibrated to several categories. here’s a few of the explosives the sniffers detect:

– RDX
– PETN
– TNT (Tri Nitro Toluene)
– Semtex
– Tetryl
– Nitroglycerine (NG)
– Nitrates
– HMX
– ANFO
http://snallabolaget.com/?page_id=3098

KRSW Oct 28, 2015 4:31 pm

Generally, they're looking for nitrogen-based substances... so if you happen to have stepped in doggie doo, walked in wet grass which had been fertilized recently, etc., you'll set it off.

Exec_Plat Oct 28, 2015 8:13 pm

Just wondering if the graph I have is SSI or not....

Boggie Dog Oct 28, 2015 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by KRSW (Post 25629876)
Generally, they're looking for nitrogen-based substances... so if you happen to have stepped in doggie doo, walked in wet grass which had been fertilized recently, etc., you'll set it off.

Products with glycerins are known to alarm. I don't know if they are nitrogen based or not. We also know that items with hydrogen peroxide will alarm the TSA's ETD testers.

The problem is that these devices cannot discriminate between a hand lotion or an explosive.

TSA's ETD testers are near worthless when they give more false alarms than actual hits on threat items.

Perhaps we should use the same criteria for TSA overall.

SeriouslyLost Oct 28, 2015 9:00 pm


Originally Posted by Exec_Plat (Post 25630826)
Just wondering if the graph I have is SSI or not....

Unless you're an employee of DHS, SSI doesn't apply to you.

SeriouslyLost Oct 28, 2015 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 25630861)
The problem is that these devices cannot discriminate between a hand lotion or an explosive.

Which is odd because unless DHS has bought bottom of the barrel machines they certainly can discriminate across those things. I suspect the machines have been set up to trigger on the most general of nitrate and phosphate spikes. Doing that would reduce the need for operator training/capability and also (if you were being really cheap and cynical) servicing of the machines themselves.

Loren Pechtel Oct 28, 2015 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 25630861)
Products with glycerins are known to alarm. I don't know if they are nitrogen based or not. We also know that items with hydrogen peroxide will alarm the TSA's ETD testers.

Glycerin contains no nitrogen. It's propane where one hydrogen on each carbon atom is replaced with an -OH.

I do understand the problem with fertilizer, though. Ammonium nitrate is fertilizer. It's also high explosive, although stable enough that you need to use another explosive charge, not merely a blasting cap, to set it off.

Ari Oct 29, 2015 12:13 am


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 25631043)
Unless you're an employee of DHS, SSI doesn't apply to you.

Actually, SSI applies to "covered persons" which includes many non-government employees such as airline employees or contractors who have access to SSI. You don't have to be an employee of DHS to be a covered person.

PAX_fips Oct 29, 2015 12:33 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 25630861)
Products with glycerins are known to alarm.

Which applies to (solid) deo roll-on, too. Had to re-run security in MAN over that ("put that into the liquids bag"). :rolleyes:


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