MORE FREE passes to Precheck - Managed Inclusion III
Jun 12, 2015, 10:01 am
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I already had to have more of a background check from the USG as a gov't contractor than you get for pre (and probably more than most TSA employees get), why should I have to pay extra and go through a bunch of hassle to get precheck?
But I agree with many of the other posters here, that what's now called "pre" should be the norm (without the background check). There's no evidence that the imaging systems are more effective (and some evidence that they're less effective) than magnetometers. The shoe and liquid things are just silly and also add nothing to security- they're overreactions to specific incidents that were of arguable risk in the first place.
But I agree with many of the other posters here, that what's now called "pre" should be the norm (without the background check). There's no evidence that the imaging systems are more effective (and some evidence that they're less effective) than magnetometers. The shoe and liquid things are just silly and also add nothing to security- they're overreactions to specific incidents that were of arguable risk in the first place.
To be fair, at least one recent series of tests indicated that the systems are effective for 5% of the screeners.
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Jun 12, 2015, 11:54 am
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The background check is the primary excuse to charge $85. They aren't going to let you off the hook for the $85, so they have to exercise the excuse.
Sep 18, 2015, 12:43 am
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MORE FREE passes to Precheck - Managed Inclusion III
September 18, 2015 Travel Market Report.
Sucks being right about yesterdays hype. MORE Free passes to TSA Precheck.....yay! 
If you want to end "free passes to precheck" contact your Senator and ask him/her to support "Securing Expedited Screening Act", which would prohibit "free passes to precheck".
David Castelveter, Deputy Assistant Administrator of TSA’s Office of Strategic Communications & Public Affairs, called TMR to share that TSA will be rolling out Managed Inclusion III, a version of the program that will use canines to screen some travelers and allow them into the PreCheck lines.
If you want to end "free passes to precheck" contact your Senator and ask him/her to support "Securing Expedited Screening Act", which would prohibit "free passes to precheck".
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Sep 18, 2015, 4:32 am
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Sucks being right about yesterdays hype. MORE Free passes to TSA Precheck.....yay!
If you want to end "free passes to precheck" contact your Senator and ask him/her to support "Securing Expedited Screening Act", which would prohibit "free passes to precheck".
Sucks being right about yesterdays hype. MORE Free passes to TSA Precheck.....yay!
If you want to end "free passes to precheck" contact your Senator and ask him/her to support "Securing Expedited Screening Act", which would prohibit "free passes to precheck".
Sep 18, 2015, 4:52 am
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Sep 18, 2015, 7:57 am
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And they should keep it going, and do whatever they need to do to fill the line. If they fill the line, it greatly improves overall throughput because the line can process so many more people per hour. If people feel unsafe because they don't take their shoes off, they can carry an extra pair of shoes in a bag and run those through the x-ray.
Sep 18, 2015, 8:22 am
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In the meantime, throw an over-priced contract for dogs to some greedy retiring DHS honcho and his buddies.
It won't do a thing for security, if we're lucky no pax will get harmed by badly managed dogs (it has happened before), but some corrupt and connected individual will get taxpayers' $$ and there will be a permanent small expansion of an already bloated agency.
Oh, and it will bolster TSA's stats for catching the drugs they aren't looking for (although they sometimes participate in smuggling them). You know, the drugs that are no threat to aviation safety.
It won't do a thing for security, if we're lucky no pax will get harmed by badly managed dogs (it has happened before), but some corrupt and connected individual will get taxpayers' $$ and there will be a permanent small expansion of an already bloated agency.
Oh, and it will bolster TSA's stats for catching the drugs they aren't looking for (although they sometimes participate in smuggling them). You know, the drugs that are no threat to aviation safety.
Sep 18, 2015, 4:54 pm
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September 18, 2015 Travel Market Report.
Sucks being right about yesterdays hype. MORE Free passes to TSA Precheck.....yay!
If you want to end "free passes to precheck" contact your Senator and ask him/her to support "Securing Expedited Screening Act", which would prohibit "free passes to precheck".
Sucks being right about yesterdays hype. MORE Free passes to TSA Precheck.....yay!
If you want to end "free passes to precheck" contact your Senator and ask him/her to support "Securing Expedited Screening Act", which would prohibit "free passes to precheck".
Why would any sane person want any level of "precheck" to end? Just why do you have any issue with letting anyone use precheck?Precheck should be the standard of screening in the US, not an exception. The current standard level should be the exception and only used when there is reasonable evidence for a certain traveler to be given the extra screening.
Sep 19, 2015, 8:04 am
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In the meantime, throw an over-priced contract for dogs to some greedy retiring DHS honcho and his buddies.
It won't do a thing for security, if we're lucky no pax will get harmed by badly managed dogs (it has happened before), but some corrupt and connected individual will get taxpayers' $$ and there will be a permanent small expansion of an already bloated agency.
Oh, and it will bolster TSA's stats for catching the drugs they aren't looking for (although they sometimes participate in smuggling them). You know, the drugs that are no threat to aviation safety.
It won't do a thing for security, if we're lucky no pax will get harmed by badly managed dogs (it has happened before), but some corrupt and connected individual will get taxpayers' $$ and there will be a permanent small expansion of an already bloated agency.
Oh, and it will bolster TSA's stats for catching the drugs they aren't looking for (although they sometimes participate in smuggling them). You know, the drugs that are no threat to aviation safety.
Why would any sane person want any level of "precheck" to end? Just why do you have any issue with letting anyone use precheck?Precheck should be the standard of screening in the US, not an exception. The current standard level should be the exception and only used when there is reasonable evidence for a certain traveler to be given the extra screening.
Funny thing is, I agree with both of you - if PreCheck is a pay service, it shouldn't be given to tens of thousands of people for free. But PreCheck shouldn't be a pay service - Pre-equivalent screening should be the norm for all travelers.
Notice how I didn't say that PreCheck should be the standard, because while the level of screening given to PreCheck travelers should be the standard - WTMD, bag x-ray, shoes and belt on, etc - the PRE-CHECKING done to those people should not be the standard.
Investigative background checks by the government should never be conducted on someone who is just trying to exercise their right to unrestricted movement. It's not only a violation of the 4th Amendment, it's also a tremendous waste of government time, money, and personnel who would be far better utilized in tracking down those who actually HAVE committed a crime of some sort, not those whom the government considers to be "potential threats". As it seems to regard every human being on the planet, these days.
Sep 21, 2015, 9:26 pm
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I would say that is very accurate. Those who have paid for a KNOWN TRAVELER service, very likely do not travel on a daily basis in numbers that justify keeping an entire group of TSA screeners busy.
Sep 21, 2015, 9:27 pm
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And they should keep it going, and do whatever they need to do to fill the line. If they fill the line, it greatly improves overall throughput because the line can process so many more people per hour. If people feel unsafe because they don't take their shoes off, they can carry an extra pair of shoes in a bag and run those through the x-ray.
Sep 21, 2015, 9:46 pm
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Sep 21, 2015, 9:49 pm
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Pre-equivalent screening should be the norm for all travelers.
Notice how I didn't say that PreCheck should be the standard, because while the level of screening given to PreCheck travelers should be the standard - WTMD, bag x-ray, shoes and belt on, etc - the PRE-CHECKING done to those people should not be the standard.
Notice how I didn't say that PreCheck should be the standard, because while the level of screening given to PreCheck travelers should be the standard - WTMD, bag x-ray, shoes and belt on, etc - the PRE-CHECKING done to those people should not be the standard.
I have to say, I find it concerning that PreCheck at Terminal D at DFW was not open late last week. I couldn't get a straight answer from the TSA about it, but it makes me wonder if they aren't getting enough people to make it worth opening the line. It hasn't been open at my home airport for months because it's rarely used since the number of free passes has been reduced.