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Originally Posted by JadeAngel
(Post 24745401)
Sure...
Here is one woman from Ontario with her story. She filed a lawsuit..There is a video of her if you scroll down http://www.fedcops.org/2012/06/03/ca...g-raspberries/ Another lawsuit filed from yet another Ontario woman. This one gives a complete rundown of what happened... http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...11104/267661/1 A CBP agent blows the whistle on what happened to international travelers....http://www.thecathyharrisstory.com/W...blowerLaws.pdf OK, I looked at all three links you provided and those three all go back to 2012. I don't deny that bad things happen to people crossing the border on rare occasions but I don't think 3 examples from 2012 constitute as you stated in post #1 "I've been reading so many people's horror stories at the border and the one that keeps coming up as being very disturbing is strip searches without a reason." as many people's horror stories. So exactly what is your agenda? |
Originally Posted by JadeAngel
(Post 24746312)
With the technology available to us in this day and age, I'm pretty certain they can come up with something
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 24746394)
OK, I looked at all three links you provided and those three all go back to 2012.
I don't deny that bad things happen to people crossing the border on rare occasions but I don't think 3 examples from 2012 constitute as you stated in post #1 "I've been reading so many people's horror stories at the border and the one that keeps coming up as being very disturbing is strip searches without a reason." as many people's horror stories. So exactly what is your agenda? |
Originally Posted by MaxBuck
(Post 24746509)
With respect, "I'm sure they can come up with something" doesn't really constitute an answer to my inquiry.
There's nothing wrong with awareness and I don't have all the answers. I didn't think there was anything wrong with having various opinions on the subject |
Originally Posted by JadeAngel
(Post 24746709)
Does everyone who has an opinion need to have an agenda?
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This is my personal agenda.
I dont want to be in a scanner or x ray. I would rather strip totally naked in front of a female "what ever". But hands on me not going to happen. Scanners no way unless I get dragged into to it and held up. We all have our own comfort zones But hands on me NO WAY. Same with scanners.They are to me preverted. Plus I dont know who sees it. |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 24746770)
This is my personal agenda.
I dont want to be in a scanner or x ray. I would rather strip totally naked in front of a female "what ever". But hands on me not going to happen. Scanners no way unless I get dragged into to it and held up. We all have our own comfort zones But hands on me NO WAY. Same with scanners.They are to me preverted. Plus I dont know who sees it. |
us I do know of people who have gone throught the scanner AND still get a very "personal" pat down.
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Originally Posted by JadeAngel
(Post 24746782)
That's what I mean. I would never let anyone lay a hand on me. Everyone has their own comfort level. I just think we should have a choice
Keep on sticking to what you belive . |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 24746770)
This is my personal agenda.
I dont want to be in a scanner or x ray. I would rather strip totally naked in front of a female "what ever". But hands on me not going to happen. Scanners no way unless I get dragged into to it and held up. We all have our own comfort zones But hands on me NO WAY. Same with scanners.They are to me preverted. Plus I dont know who sees it. |
Originally Posted by JadeAngel
(Post 24746730)
Should that not be up to the law makers to figure out? Having this happen to even one innocent person constitutes one person too many.
I agree that such invasive searches should be absolutely minimized, but we need to be realistic about what alternatives are available and what costs (both monetary and societal) will result. Unfortunately, law enforcement can never guarantee that no guilty person will go unpunished, nor that no innocent person will be convicted unjustly, let alone undergo unfortunate interrogation or search. No argument, though, that those should be the goals. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 24746851)
Tanja, the problem is that this thread is about a person being searched by CBP. They have much more authority that TSA.
Originally Posted by MaxBuck
(Post 24746854)
It's unrealistic to say that a strip-search of one innocent person means that no strip-searches should be done.
I agree that such invasive searches should be absolutely minimized, but we need to be realistic about what alternatives are available and what costs (both monetary and societal) will result. Unfortunately, law enforcement can never guarantee that no guilty person will go unpunished, nor that no innocent person will be convicted unjustly, let alone undergo unfortunate interrogation or search. No argument, though, that those should be the goals. I do not care who does this strip searches at all. In the end it is the same. No respect at all. Most people are innocent. |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 24747006)
They do? Never knew that. That is crap though
SCOTUS explicitly didn't rule on what level of proof would be required for something like a strip search or cavity search (i.e. a warrant, reasonable suspicion, probable cause). Again, this is all CBP at the border that's being discussed, has nothing to do with TSA. |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 24747006)
They do? Never knew that. That is crap though
Some TSA employees are also but not the screeners. |
So what I have read now. Is that any CBP can order this? That is sick . I would still not do it. I would never sign anything. In the end sue them. Cause this is sick.Are they crazzy?YES.
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