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Boggie Dog Apr 30, 2015 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by JadeAngel (Post 24745401)
Sure...
Here is one woman from Ontario with her story. She filed a lawsuit..There is a video of her if you scroll down
http://www.fedcops.org/2012/06/03/ca...g-raspberries/

Another lawsuit filed from yet another Ontario woman. This one gives a complete rundown of what happened...
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...11104/267661/1

A CBP agent blows the whistle on what happened to international travelers....http://www.thecathyharrisstory.com/W...blowerLaws.pdf


OK, I looked at all three links you provided and those three all go back to 2012.

I don't deny that bad things happen to people crossing the border on rare occasions but I don't think 3 examples from 2012 constitute as you stated in post #1 "I've been reading so many people's horror stories at the border and the one that keeps coming up as being very disturbing is strip searches without a reason." as many people's horror stories.

So exactly what is your agenda?

MaxBuck Apr 30, 2015 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by JadeAngel (Post 24746312)
With the technology available to us in this day and age, I'm pretty certain they can come up with something

With respect, "I'm sure they can come up with something" doesn't really constitute an answer to my inquiry.

JadeAngel Apr 30, 2015 3:09 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 24746394)
OK, I looked at all three links you provided and those three all go back to 2012.

I don't deny that bad things happen to people crossing the border on rare occasions but I don't think 3 examples from 2012 constitute as you stated in post #1 "I've been reading so many people's horror stories at the border and the one that keeps coming up as being very disturbing is strip searches without a reason." as many people's horror stories.

So exactly what is your agenda?

Does everyone who has an opinion need to have an agenda?

JadeAngel Apr 30, 2015 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by MaxBuck (Post 24746509)
With respect, "I'm sure they can come up with something" doesn't really constitute an answer to my inquiry.

Should that not be up to the law makers to figure out? Having this happen to even one innocent person constitutes one person too many.Or have we become so complacent about people's individual rights.
There's nothing wrong with awareness and I don't have all the answers. I didn't think there was anything wrong with having various opinions on the subject

Boggie Dog Apr 30, 2015 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by JadeAngel (Post 24746709)
Does everyone who has an opinion need to have an agenda?

No, but many do.

tanja Apr 30, 2015 3:21 pm

This is my personal agenda.
I dont want to be in a scanner or x ray. I would rather strip totally naked in front of a female "what ever".
But hands on me not going to happen. Scanners no way unless I get dragged into to it and held up.

We all have our own comfort zones
But hands on me NO WAY. Same with scanners.They are to me preverted. Plus I dont know who sees it.

JadeAngel Apr 30, 2015 3:24 pm


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 24746770)
This is my personal agenda.
I dont want to be in a scanner or x ray. I would rather strip totally naked in front of a female "what ever".
But hands on me not going to happen. Scanners no way unless I get dragged into to it and held up.

We all have our own comfort zones
But hands on me NO WAY. Same with scanners.They are to me preverted. Plus I dont know who sees it.

That's what I mean. I would never let anyone lay a hand on me. Everyone has their own comfort level. I just think we should have a choice

tanja Apr 30, 2015 3:29 pm

us I do know of people who have gone throught the scanner AND still get a very "personal" pat down.

tanja Apr 30, 2015 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by JadeAngel (Post 24746782)
That's what I mean. I would never let anyone lay a hand on me. Everyone has their own comfort level. I just think we should have a choice

Yes I agree. I have said this for years. I have been told if I strip naked I would either be told to put on clothes so they can "feel" me. Or/.and being arrested for indicent exposure. To that is weird to me. They rather feel you then see it is nothing there. SICK.
Keep on sticking to what you belive .

Boggie Dog Apr 30, 2015 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 24746770)
This is my personal agenda.
I dont want to be in a scanner or x ray. I would rather strip totally naked in front of a female "what ever".
But hands on me not going to happen. Scanners no way unless I get dragged into to it and held up.

We all have our own comfort zones
But hands on me NO WAY. Same with scanners.They are to me preverted. Plus I dont know who sees it.

Tanja, the problem is that this thread is about a person being searched by CBP. They have much more authority that TSA.

MaxBuck Apr 30, 2015 3:38 pm


Originally Posted by JadeAngel (Post 24746730)
Should that not be up to the law makers to figure out? Having this happen to even one innocent person constitutes one person too many.

It's unrealistic to say that a strip-search of one innocent person means that no strip-searches should be done.

I agree that such invasive searches should be absolutely minimized, but we need to be realistic about what alternatives are available and what costs (both monetary and societal) will result.

Unfortunately, law enforcement can never guarantee that no guilty person will go unpunished, nor that no innocent person will be convicted unjustly, let alone undergo unfortunate interrogation or search. No argument, though, that those should be the goals.

tanja Apr 30, 2015 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 24746851)
Tanja, the problem is that this thread is about a person being searched by CBP. They have much more authority that TSA.

They do? Never knew that. That is crap though


Originally Posted by MaxBuck (Post 24746854)
It's unrealistic to say that a strip-search of one innocent person means that no strip-searches should be done.

I agree that such invasive searches should be absolutely minimized, but we need to be realistic about what alternatives are available and what costs (both monetary and societal) will result.

Unfortunately, law enforcement can never guarantee that no guilty person will go unpunished, nor that no innocent person will be convicted unjustly, let alone undergo unfortunate interrogation or search. No argument, though, that those should be the goals.

And you are not guilty but searched very personal. What excuse do you get . Nothing. Just nightmares. And being afraid of people.

I do not care who does this strip searches at all. In the end it is the same. No respect at all. Most people are innocent.

cestmoi123 Apr 30, 2015 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 24747006)
They do? Never knew that. That is crap though

There is, as far as I know, no caselaw on what would be required to justify a strip search. Reasonable suspicion of smuggling is sufficient to justify detention of someone at the border (case was on a pax who was thought to have swallowed drugs and refused to be x-rayed, she was held until whatever was in her stomach had passed).

SCOTUS explicitly didn't rule on what level of proof would be required for something like a strip search or cavity search (i.e. a warrant, reasonable suspicion, probable cause).

Again, this is all CBP at the border that's being discussed, has nothing to do with TSA.

Boggie Dog Apr 30, 2015 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 24747006)
They do? Never knew that. That is crap though

CBP are federal law enforcement officers.

Some TSA employees are also but not the screeners.

tanja Apr 30, 2015 4:41 pm

So what I have read now. Is that any CBP can order this? That is sick . I would still not do it. I would never sign anything. In the end sue them. Cause this is sick.Are they crazzy?YES.


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