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Old Mar 12, 2015, 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by NewportGuy
No, my point was that so many of these "security" agencies seem to operate under the umbrella of fear, rather than public service. People should not fear the government. Government should fear the people.
Based on what OP described, CBP didn't do anything outside of their search; didn't mention they will miss their flight if they don't cooperate.

The fear OP experienced was self generated.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven
Is it fine to force us to write the only $300 we were carrying and than demand to sign our names? She herself said you are allowed to carry up to $5000. She Checked everything we had for 10 mins . She couldn't find any illegal cash or illegal stuffs she hoped and prayed for and she would still copy some information from my passport on a piece of paper.
The reason they did that is if they did find you were carrying half a million dollars, it will stand up in court that a.) they gave you an opportunity to declare and b.) there is written proof of that declaration.

Were you upset that they "forced" you to make a declaration of that you were picked for the search?
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by NewportGuy
No, my point was that so many of these "security" agencies seem to operate under the umbrella of fear, rather than public service. People should not fear the government. Government should fear the people.
Do you really fear your government because they CAN ask you if you have a lot of currency on you, and check to make sure that your answer is true when you are at the airport. You won't be harmed, just inconvenienced for about 5 minutes.

Or is it just a hollow statement you are making? It's a law enforcement agency with a specific task, nothing more.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 8:32 am
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While the US does not have outbound Customs or immigration formalities, it has the right to impose them and does so on a random basis (or not so random). Primary searches are for cash and drugs.

CBP on the jetway is pretty common and it can occur for random reasons or because CBP has an actual specific concern.

The questioning and search can be just as intrusive as a search and questioning inbound to the US.

Whether OP was selected for inappropriate reasons or not, is something nobody here can determine.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven
She herself said you are allowed to carry up to $5000.
The limit is $10000 ... and I don't think it's per group, it's per persn.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 9:30 am
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The limit is $10000 ... and I don't think it's per group, it's per persn.
Nope... per group/family. They want to avoid that if you travel with a large family/group you divide your money among it's members. But it's nothing more than a declaration what you are traveling with.
As pointed out before, they simply want you to declare what you have so if you they find more you will have made a false declaration.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 10:11 am
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Nope... per group/family. They want to avoid that if you travel with a large family/group you divide your money among it's members. But it's nothing more than a declaration what you are traveling with.
Ww - I never knew it was per group but the regulations clearly state this:
Please be aware, if persons/family members traveling together have $10,000 or more, they cannot divide the currency between each other to avoid declaring the currency.
As pointed out before, they simply want you to declare what you have so if you they find more you will have made a false declaration.
Yes - clearly.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by seawolf

Seems like whenever law enforcement does their job and the person being searched happens to be a minority, it is automatically labelled as discrimination.
That is not how it goes, even if that is how you want it to seem or see it. But these dragnets that use racist profiling do involve discrimination.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 11:02 am
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
The limit is $10000 ... and I don't think it's per group, it's per persn.
It's per individual, household or any other group -- depends on how CBP wants to have it on such matters. They can claim unlawful structuring too.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 11:08 am
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There is nothing unlawful about exporting currency. You must simply declare $10K+. The crime is failing to declare it (unless, of course, there is some other crime involved as well).
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 11:58 am
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That is not how it goes, even if that is how you want it to seem or see it. But these dragnets that use racist profiling do involve discrimination.
Nothing in OPs account suggest that is the case.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 12:25 pm
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And a dragnet at the airport targeting Asians on a flight to Korea....
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by seawolf
The reason they did that is if they did find you were carrying half a million dollars, it will stand up in court that a.) they gave you an opportunity to declare and b.) there is written proof of that declaration.

Were you upset that they "forced" you to make a declaration of that you were picked for the search?
Exactly. They're trying to leave no doubt that a crime was committed.
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Old Mar 12, 2015, 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
Ww - I never knew it was per group but the regulations clearly state this:
Please be aware, if persons/family members traveling together have $10,000 or more, they cannot divide the currency between each other to avoid declaring the currency.
Yes - clearly.
I never realized this, either--I thought it was per person.
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The dragnet targeting Asians on an Asian-heavy flight doesn't mean all the Asians on it will be hit by the racist profiling in the same way, if at all. The racist profiling advocates don't have sufficient time and other resources to check in the same way each and every subject who meets a perceived ethnic classification; and so they send all the people through the dragnet but choose to hit a small subset of the dragnet subjects fulfilling the racist profiling criteria and then subject them to more intensive screening and searches while trying to make an example of those whom they subjected to these racist profiling-based searches.

Originally Posted by seawolf
Nothing in OPs account suggest that is the case.
Actually, the OP's account suggests it is the case.

The flights to, and traffic for, mainland Asia (mainly PRC, South Korea and India) have been the primary targets of the racist profiling CBP hunt for non-drugs-related undeclared, cash (or certain other financial instruments) above $10k when there is no identified individual targeted AND found in violation of the declaration requirment for the targeted flights.
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