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Originally Posted by You want to go where?
(Post 23704629)
Everyone seems to worried about catching Ebola. They come up with ever more fanciful ways for it to be transmitted, despite the fact that the data suggests that the contact has to be either very significant or very late in the disease's progress for someone to be infected.
Well, maybe anecdotal evidence will help, since data doesn't seem to have an effect. Thomas Eric Duncan, the index case, who flew from Liberia to the United States did not infect anyone before he went into the hospital. No one. 1. He infected no one on the planes he flew. 2. He infected no one in the apartment complex where he lived. 3. He didn't even infect his fiancee or his nephews. The woman who went on the cruise (admittedly she had no contact with Duncan at all and was a very unlikely candidate for infection in the first place) - no Ebola. African countries freed of Ebola; monitoring period over for 48 Texans I'm not saying Ebola isn't a dangerous disease. It is very dangerous, although less so in places where you can get high quality medical treatment. I'm not saying Ebola isn't infectious. It is, but really mostly at the latest stages of infection. In developed countries, the people with significant risk are health care workers, because they are treating patients when they are most infectious. The more we can do to protect those people, the better. That is where we need to put our resources and where we should concentrate our concern. While I am unconvinced of the value that the TSA provides, the one thing I am not worried about when it comes to the TSA, it is catching Ebola. |
I'm very confident that no one has caught Ebola from flying on an airplane. I'm very confident that quite a few passengers will catch, from another passenger or the crew, the flu or some form of respiratory virus that will kill them this winter.
It's the same as the fixation on the very rare airliner crash while somebody dies in a car wreck on local roads daily. In 2012, in the US, there were 33,561 deaths due to car crashes, and who knows how many worldwide. In 2012, in the US, zero were killed due to an airliner crash, and 466 worldwide. |
Getting back to one of the earlier posts...Before a pat-down, I always ask the TSO to use a new set of gloves. After a recent pat-down, I told the TSO that he might want to change his gloves because I might be coming down with a cold and did not want my germs to be spread to other passengers. I watched and afterward, the TSO did not change his gloves but continued to use them as he went through the belongings of other passengers. In my opinion, this is problematic.
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 23704402)
Neither of these statements contradict each other. The perceived threat level of Ebola far exceeds the actual threat level presented by Ebola by several orders of magnitude..
If we buy into the apocalyptic vision of the disease striking our world like a zombie endgame and health workers have to be "sent down" to contain the threat then a proper quarantine for those people is a minimum common sense protocol. Insane is to hype the threat level and shuttle nurses, doctors, and even patients back and forth. That - if then the contamination risk is remotely as high as painted - will nearly guarantee an outbreak of some sort. I find the dual standard very disturbing and highly inconsequential. |
Originally Posted by guflyer
(Post 23705510)
Getting back to one of the earlier posts...Before a pat-down, I always ask the TSO to use a new set of gloves. After a recent pat-down, I told the TSO that he might want to change his gloves because I might be coming down with a cold and did not want my germs to be spread to other passengers. I watched and afterward, the TSO did not change his gloves but continued to use them as he went through the belongings of other passengers. In my opinion, this is problematic.
What an idiot. I hope he's an exception and his co-workers are more concerned about everyone's health and well-being. I guess it never occurred to this fool that even trained health professionals have screwed up while removing protective gear and infected themselves. This idiot thinks he's protected, too bad for the pax. I guess it never occurred to him that if he rubs the arm of someone with a skin disease or picks up Ebola or flu germs, the next time he scratches himself or rubs his eye, he's risking infecting himself. Of course, if his LTSO, STSO, and management chain were doing their job, this wouldn't be happening. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 23706470)
What an idiot.
I hope he's an exception and his co-workers are more concerned about everyone's health and well-being. I guess it never occurred to this fool that even trained health professionals have screwed up while removing protective gear and infected themselves. This idiot thinks he's protected, too bad for the pax. I guess it never occurred to him that if he rubs the arm of someone with a skin disease or picks up Ebola or flu germs, the next time he scratches himself or rubs his eye, he's risking infecting himself. Of course, if his LTSO, STSO, and management chain were doing their job, this wouldn't be happening. |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 23704402)
Neither of these statements contradict each other. The perceived threat level of Ebola far exceeds the actual threat level presented by Ebola by several orders of magnitude. People are reacting to the perceived threat level when they should be reacting to the actual threat level.
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Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 23706470)
I hope he's an exception and his co-workers are more concerned about everyone's health and well-being. [...]
Of course, if his LTSO, STSO, and management chain were doing their job, this wouldn't be happening. It's been made clear by TSOs here over the years that the protocol regarding the use of gloves has absolutely nothing to do with controlling infectious diseases, or maintaining sample purity, or anything of the sort. The word we've been given here is that gloves are being used simply to protect the TSO from contact with "other" substances. It's all about the TSOs, and zero about the passengers. Which is why you see gloves treated in such a cavalier manner at checkpoints. They could care less about whether or not infectious matter is transmitted between passengers, as long as the TSOs are protected. |
I believe member Affection was succesful in getting the CLE CCTV of the security checkpoint from the city when he successfully proved $1B of Nude Body Scanners Made Worthless — How Anyone Can Get Anything Past TSA NoS.
I'd love to see the security video here so the mainstream media can let folks form their own opinion of the public health practices of TSA clerks. |
Anyone who is in very close physical contact with or proximity to lots of people is well-advised to be careful, it's just common sense. Flu season is starting up and hundreds of people die every year from the flu.
TSO gloves provide some degree of personal protection, but that protection completely disappears when a TSO touches an infected surface and then touches unprotected parts of his/her body. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 23708789)
Anyone who is in very close physical contact with or proximity to lots of people is well-advised to be careful, it's just common sense. Flu season is starting up and hundreds of people die every year from the flu.
TSO gloves provide some degree of personal protection, but that protection completely disappears when a TSO touches an infected surface and then touches unprotected parts of his/her body. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 23708789)
Anyone who is in very close physical contact with or proximity to lots of people is well-advised to be careful, it's just common sense. Flu season is starting up and hundreds of people die every year from the flu.
TSO gloves provide some degree of personal protection, but that protection completely disappears when a TSO touches an infected surface and then touches unprotected parts of his/her body. |
Originally Posted by tys90
(Post 23707339)
Well said. I wish I could find the graphic but there was an image showing the number of deaths from diseases in West Africa counting from the start of the Ebola outbreak. Ebola was either the 4th or 5th worst and several order of magnitudes below HIV/AIDS. It was below preventable diseases that they still have trouble with over there. This level of hysteria people are in about Ebola is ridiculous and starting to annoy me.
The ignorance of the American public is astounding. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/elementar...s-from-rwanda/ |
Its likely yesterday more American People died from unnecessary texting whilst driving. And virtually nothing is doe to prevent these deaths.
I recall during the British Mad Cow Scare more Brits died that year from accidents with underwear elastic than Mad Cow Disese. |
TSOs, like any group of employees facing the public, should routinely be reminded about practices that spread germs.
Indeed, as a group who not only faces the public but who routinely has its hands on the public, including bare skin, it is even more important. Sadly, through ignorance or nastiness or both, some TSOs fail to see that they are not only putting the pax at risk, they are also putting themselves, their co-workers, friends and family members potentially at risk. Ask a food worker or a health care worker to change gloves or take precautions and they don't have a problem with it. At best, they understand the risks you are both taking; at worst, they shrug and do it to make the customer feel better. Why do some TSOs somehow feel that a glove change is a challenge to authority or a major inconvenience? It's for their protection too. |
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