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paulwuk Oct 15, 2014 8:10 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 23680266)
That's pretty much only on US airlines IME. I don't recall the PA ever blaring on non-US airlines.

It's the sign of a rock-bottom airline like Ryanair and their infamous scratchcards. BA do the same thing with droning on about flying start. Doesn't happen during the safety video though.

weero Oct 15, 2014 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 23680266)
That's pretty much only on US airlines IME. I don't recall the PA ever blaring on non-US airlines.

In my experience US carriers ramble on they don't really shout around .. but it's still loud an annoying.

Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23680452)
It's the sign of a rock-bottom airline like Ryanair and their infamous scratchcards....

The worst barkers I can recall dwelled on SQ. Especially on night flights they loved to crank up the PA to howitzer volume and sanctimonously howl "WE ARE ENCOUNTERING UNEXPECTED TURBULENCE. PLEASE FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS, PARENTS PLEASE TAKE OUR THE INFANTS FROM THE BASSINETS" every 2 to 10 minutes.

A few overly sadistic and overzealous specimen would also rush through the coach cabin and rattle sleeping customers so those could better prep themselves mentally for the bumps ahead. In business I was woken twice by such individuals who only reluctantly apologised for not checking that I was wearing a seat belt.

But competition of the Middle Eastern carriers fixed this monstrous feature ... not sure what they did with the evil employees though.

stimpy Oct 15, 2014 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23680452)
It's the sign of a rock-bottom airline like Ryanair and their infamous scratchcards. BA do the same thing with droning on about flying start. Doesn't happen during the safety video though.

I fly BA an awful lot, as I see you do too. The PA volume is nowhere near as loud as it is on UA for example. I wonder though, do non-US airlines raise the volume a bit on flights to and from the US? It might be some pressure from the FAA due to pressure from the stewardess unions or something.

Sousaphil Oct 16, 2014 2:12 pm

There is absolutely nothing I'm going to learn from hearing the safety announcement for the n-hundredth time. I don't need to hear about your wonderful complementary soft drinks and for-purchase snack crap.

I especially don't want to hear about your "exciting offer" mid-flight. I absolutely hate in-air advertising that cannot be tuned out. Monetize the tray table? Fine, slap on a Claritin ad. But don't force me to listen to your credit card offer or the great perks of your frequent flier program.

Those PA announcements are loud enough to be annoying even with my noise cancelling headphones.

Ok, rant over.

RadioGirl Oct 16, 2014 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by Sousaphil (Post 23688446)
There is absolutely nothing I'm going to learn from hearing the safety announcement for the n-hundredth time.

Exactly.

"Smoking is prohibited blah blah smoke detectors have been fitted" - fine, I don't smoke, never have, never will.

"This is how you put on a seatbelt" - we're already in our seats and the flight attendant has already checked.

"Put luggage in the overhead or under the seat in front of you" - we're already :mad: seated :mad: and the luggage has already been stowed - stop wasting time.

This goes double (triple) for international flights where it's repeated in a second and third language. Yeah, I understood all that from the video while you were doing it in Arabic (2 minutes 45), but heck, run it all again with English voiceover just in case. :rolleyes:

weero Oct 17, 2014 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 23690173)
Exactly.

"Smoking is prohibited blah blah smoke detectors have been fitted" - fine, I don't smoke, never have, never will...

I would ... if I had to listen to more PAs. I'd also resort to alcohol and tranquilizers.

pushback Oct 17, 2014 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 23690173)
Exactly.

"Smoking is prohibited blah blah smoke detectors have been fitted" - fine, I don't smoke, never have, never will. :rolleyes:

Exactly, RadioGirl, which is why I say retire the entire archaic ritual. We've all heard it before. "A verbal agreement is worth the paper it's printed on." So when they ask if you can open the wing-exit door and you say yes it's actually meaningless. I mean at least that part of it gets an ack. For the plane wide-briefing we should all have to raise our right hand at the end and say "I do." We humans. We're so bloody inconsistent.

Since we are now tracked and stalked by TSA, NSA, etc., unlike back in the days of the free world when these announcements started, what's one more piece of record keeping? Have us all check a box on the airline's website that we have read and understand the safety briefing and will hold the airline harmless if we forgot how to inflate our life vest over Kansas. One time. Check a box. Put this archaic ritual where is belongs. A Boolean value in a MariaDB database somewhere. Boom. Done. Never to have to hear it again.

Yes, I am accepting your nomination votes for the next pres race. I got lots of ides.

Schmurrr Oct 23, 2014 10:49 am

Listening to the safety briefing is not of much use if one is hearing-impaired, which suggests that there must be an alternative means of preparing oneself for flight emergencies--and there is: the safety card. It is reviewable at one's leisure, and I have yet to see one that contains advertisements or other obnoxiousness.

I wouldn't object to more focus on pax in the exit row demonstrating that they have a clue about how to open the exit door, though, which might mean exit row pax should put aside the headphones, the e-reader, etc. for a minute (though not necessarily stowing them).

paulwuk Oct 23, 2014 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by Schmurrr (Post 23722960)
which might mean exit row pax should put aside the headphones, the e-reader, etc. for a minute

But not books, or newspaper (which will likely hamper people's escapes)?

Schmurrr Oct 24, 2014 11:11 am


Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 23723646)
But not books, or newspaper (which will likely hamper people's escapes)?

You misunderstand. I was talking about pre-flight safety briefings.

paulwuk Oct 24, 2014 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by Schmurrr (Post 23728961)
You misunderstand. I was talking about pre-flight safety briefings.

You specified e-reader, rather than "book", I wondered why.

P.S you're Far more likely to need to use the emergency exit during the safety.brirfing than when the wheels are off the ground.

greggarious Oct 27, 2014 11:04 am

Does anyone else have issues with the volume on their tablets while flying? I end up listening because I cannot listen to my Nexus 7 movie while an announcement is playing.

whitearrow Oct 29, 2014 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by YKF (Post 23671269)
Yes as the kindle can become a dangerous projectile and the book cannot

Oh baloney. My Kindle with its case is less than 7 ounces. Before the Kindle, I rarely carried around a book less than 12-14 ounces, and often more. A book is just as much a "dangerous projectile."

Loren Pechtel Oct 29, 2014 9:17 pm


Originally Posted by whitearrow (Post 23759923)
Oh baloney. My Kindle with its case is less than 7 ounces. Before the Kindle, I rarely carried around a book less than 12-14 ounces, and often more. A book is just as much a "dangerous projectile."

Not only that but my Kindle has a padded case--I would say it's a bit softer than the spine side of a book.

whitearrow Oct 30, 2014 2:47 pm

Yep. The same would certainly apply to anyone who uses a soft skin type case.


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