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GUWonder Mar 30, 2018 9:04 pm
Originally Posted by aidy (Post 29585788)

the issue is with the border office not the machine. As the UK machines are not fully automated and the approval is done by a customs officer in the desks behind the automated machines! Let’s hope they’ve gone back to training
The issue is with the machines too, given that people also tend to “proofread”/“match” worse against a digital image than against a real object/person or hard copy. And when manually “proofreading”/“matching” one digital image against another digital image, that’s a recipe for even more of a mess.

Also, it’s rather questionable if training does a whole lot to improve the ability to reduce false matches, positive and/or negative. There are some toddlers who are better at this stuff than “trained” border guards.

Sandtree Apr 3, 2018 6:58 am
The two bits that get me is:

A) the length of time reading the passport takes - how much data is it actually taking or is it also a scanner taking an image of the page in addition to reading the chip?

B) the seemingly random failures to read the passports - both at LGW and PRG recently a machine rejected a couple of people in a row who immediately went to another machine and went through fine but the next person and I get through the original machine without issue.

catandmouse Apr 7, 2018 11:01 am
Originally Posted by Astaroth (Post 29597194)
The two bits that get me is:

A) the length of time reading the passport takes - how much data is it actually taking or is it also a scanner taking an image of the page in addition to reading the chip?
I've never understood this - I've got an app (plenty of them, just look) that will read the data from my passport chip, including the photo. It takes no more than a second. There is security, you have to enter your name first, before it will read and I guess the passport readers at airports read off the data at the bottom of the photo page, but frankly that shouldn't be difficult, it's designed for OCR after all.
I suspect the time is the officer in the darkened booth takes to sup his/her tea before looking at the data.

KDS777 Apr 7, 2018 1:50 pm
I only have experience with the Canadian system called NEXUS (of which I am a member) and the US system referred to a Global Entry (to which I have access).

Never had to use automated border control in the EU yet during my travels.

My only comment is security based. The US and Canadian systems use biometrics (eye retina scans and/or fingreprints) which are essential for security IMHO. I hope the EU would have the political will to use the same.


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