62-year-old woman sneaks onto aircraft without ticket
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How long before she slips out of whatever facility she's put in?
Serial Stowaway Ruled Unfit For Trial; Will Undergo Mental Treatment « CBS Chicago
Serial Stowaway Ruled Unfit For Trial; Will Undergo Mental Treatment « CBS Chicago
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Since a judge in essence committed her the state will have to pick up the bill. He turned her over to the Illinois Department of Human Services facility in Elgin. The state’s Elgin Mental Health Center is the primary treatment facility for individuals determined to be “not guilty by reason of insanity” or in this case “unfit to stand trial” in Illinois. They’ve not released the diagnosis but I suspect from her reported behavior she’s suffering from some antisocial issues. Not my area of practice but generally cases like her’s are difficult to treat.
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Since a judge in essence committed her the state will have to pick up the bill. He turned her over to the Illinois Department of Human Services facility in Elgin. The state’s Elgin Mental Health Center is the primary treatment facility for individuals determined to be “not guilty by reason of insanity” or in this case “unfit to stand trial” in Illinois. They’ve not released the diagnosis but I suspect from her reported behavior she’s suffering from some antisocial issues. Not my area of practice but generally cases like her’s are difficult to treat.
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I can't speak to her degree of impairment but she does seem capable of taking care of her basic needs and being thoughtful about her intended actions even when they go against cultural norms. She has not caused injury to others or herself, as far as I know, and that doesn't appear to be her intent. Above all else I find it amazing that she can navigate her way through different airports while avoiding all of the many layers of TSA's security and even the airlines security/gate procedures boarding flights to wherever her fancy takes her. There is certainly an element of cunning in her makeup.
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And therein lies the challenge and difficulty in treating her. Your first sentence is almost a textbook description of antisocial behavior. Patients with antisocial behavior can be extremely cunning or clever, they are not generally disabled like you might see in other mental illnesses. They know or have learned to say or do what while under treatment. Some survive and function in society without any trouble and are never treated. In her case, as I posted before, it would be great for her to consult with TSA and the airlines. She’s obviously found weaknesses she exploits time and time again.
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Agree. There are basically three issues here. One, her potential mental state or issues that drive her to continually challenge the various parts of the air transportation system. Two, the ability to somehow circumvent TSA’s security checkpoint process. Three, the ability to somehow circumvent the airline’s gate boarding process.
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In the case of Jackson v. Indiana, 406 U.S. 715 (1972), the Supreme Court of United States held that defendants in these situations cannot be held longer than the reasonable period of time that is necessary to determine whether there is a substantial probability that they will regain their competency. If it appears that they will not, the State must either institute civil commitment proceedings, such as the appointment of a guardian or a conservator, or release them.
In California, the maximum period of confinement in a state hospital is three years or the longest term of imprisonment for the offense, whichever comes first.
I suspect that Illinois' law has similar provisions.
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It’s possible she’s not totally aware of exactly how she processes what she sees. On the other hand I think she once went through a TSA checkpoint and made sure she kept her face away from the cameras so that shows awareness and planning on her part. She may not want to share her modus operandi as it is her own personal “game” and she doesn’t want it ruined. On the other hand she might be willing to “brag” to the right therapist. My limited experience with antisocials was years ago when I was interning at a state hospital and we had only the very worst criminal types like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. Not pleasant people.
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I have no idea what Elgin is like so really can’t speak to her being able to escape. She’s pretty clever so I suppose anything is possible. The state hospital I interned at had a maximum security ward, actually more of a prison within the hospital, and really was designed for the “criminally insane”. I don’t see Hartman as particularly dangerous to herself or others so she wouldn’t or shouldn’t be subjected to that level of security nor do I know or think Elgin is that kind of facility.
UPDATE: Went through a directory of mental health treatment facilities and read up a bit on the Elgin Mental Health Center. While it’s not a jail or prison per se it does have secured wards and sections. One part of the facility is set aside to treat inmates from other prisons in the state so they have at least a medium security section. That doesn’t mean that Hartman is in that section but it isn’t a totally open campus type facility either so her simply walking away may be harder.
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So Marilyn Hartman has been released from the mental health treatment facility and has been determined fit to now stand trial. The judge has moved her to a half-way house with an ankle monitor while the state determines when and if they’ll proceed with felony charges. She’s been in the half-way facility for a couple of weeks so far and hasn’t been picked up at an airport so far. Only time will tell. ?Serial stowaway? found mentally fit to stand trial, freed on ankle monitor to Chicago treatment facility - Chicago Tribune
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TSA is not in any way a structured entity as far as security goes, and that's the open secret that no one really addresses. "Security Theatre" is not a joke. It's an accurate descriptor. What TSA does is window dressing. I fully expect that her "exploits" are no more than simply walking where she wants and her only skill is knowing to wait and pick the times/pathways correctly. TSA can't address that because TSA has nothing to do with setting up or running an actual layered security screen.
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So Marilyn Hartman has been released from the mental health treatment facility and has been determined fit to now stand trial. The judge has moved her to a half-way house with an ankle monitor while the state determines when and if they’ll proceed with felony charges. She’s been in the half-way facility for a couple of weeks so far and hasn’t been picked up at an airport so far. Only time will tell. ?Serial stowaway? found mentally fit to stand trial, freed on ankle monitor to Chicago treatment facility - Chicago Tribune
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Hi all,
She's back on the news! She accepted apologize for her behaviors and she understand that she can't go to an airports without ticket. She has been sentenced 18 months on her probation.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...m-85307-tbla-5
She's back on the news! She accepted apologize for her behaviors and she understand that she can't go to an airports without ticket. She has been sentenced 18 months on her probation.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...m-85307-tbla-5
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Serial Stowaway Marilynn Hartman STRIKES AGAIN
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-flight.html
She's been at this for 10 years now. How does she evade security so easily???
She's been at this for 10 years now. How does she evade security so easily???