How the TSA beat fliers into submission
USA Today Article
"The TSA is having a heckuva summer. From a new "trusted" traveler system it's pushing on passengers, to a peculiar new rule that requires certain electronics to power up before they can fly, to numerous bizarre incidents at screening areas, the federal agency tasked with protecting America's transportation systems has been in the news for all the wrong reasons. But that's not the headline. No, the story is us — you and me — and our reaction to the agency's antics and missteps. More than 12 years after the TSA's creation, it seems our anger and outrage have run dry. Travelers have come to accept anything the agency throws at us, no matter how nonsensical and despite its civil-rights implications. The story is our TSA apathy." Mr. Elliott is right. It's a disgrace how many have rolled over for TSA. Your representative is up for reelection this midterm. If he/she supports TSA, definitely vote for someone else. This disgusting, un-American agency should be kicked out of all USA airports and its employees should be charged with crimes ranging from sexual assault to theft to impersonating a medical doctor/law enforcement officer. Its scumbag "leaders", past and present, should be imprisoned for life. |
Agreed. So many people don't care about what rights they are giving up, they just want to get through the checkpoint quickly. Then you try to point out that going through the body scanners takes much longer than WTMD, but it falls on deaf ears.
Then you have the trusted traveler program, where more and more inexperienced flyers are getting randomly chosen to enter the lanes, thus clogging down the lanes eventually. My home airport now apparently at many times has the pre-check lane feed a body scanner. It seems to be a giant bait and switch scheme getting people to sign up and promising this and that, then changing it after all. I sure picked the right time to complete my GE enrollment. People should be up in arms over the fee increase, but I haven't seen it. They should be up in arms over the sexual harassment, the thousands standing around, the general incompetence of the agency. But it seems like people just view it as status-quo nowadays, maybe another example of government waste. I just shake my head when I see one after another after another enter the body scanners with their hands up in the air. It just doesn't seem to matter to many people. Unfortunately I still think it will get worse before it ever gets better... |
Originally Posted by redtigeriii
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Agreed. So many people don't care about what rights they are giving up, they just want to get through the checkpoint quickly. Then you try to point out that going through the body scanners takes much longer than WTMD, but it falls on deaf ears.
Then you have the trusted traveler program, where more and more inexperienced flyers are getting randomly chosen to enter the lanes, thus clogging down the lanes eventually. My home airport now apparently at many times has the pre-check lane feed a body scanner. It seems to be a giant bait and switch scheme getting people to sign up and promising this and that, then changing it after all. I sure picked the right time to complete my GE enrollment. People should be up in arms over the fee increase, but I haven't seen it. They should be up in arms over the sexual harassment, the thousands standing around, the general incompetence of the agency. But it seems like people just view it as status-quo nowadays, maybe another example of government waste. I just shake my head when I see one after another after another enter the body scanners with their hands up in the air. It just doesn't seem to matter to many people. Unfortunately I still think it will get worse before it ever gets better... On top of that, you have the PreCheck extortion. They copied the Communist system of privileges. The Party (TSA) sought to co-opt a very influential class of people (frequent flyers) by promoting them as "special" and granting privileges to which the rest of us can only aspire to earn. The Party (TSA) created an upper class that became loyal to the Party (TSA) because they were told they were special and were granted a privilege that the working class couldn't get. The Privileged Class was removed from the debate because the special people know that the Prty (TSA) can take away the privilege at any time for any reason. The joke is on us. As long as we have an almost orgasmic desire to make our flights, we will put up with anything the TSA comes up with. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23273683)
USA Today Article
Mr. Elliott is right. It's a disgrace how many have rolled over for TSA. Your representative is up for reelection this midterm. If he/she supports TSA, definitely vote for someone else. This disgusting, un-American agency should be kicked out of all USA airports and its employees should be charged with crimes ranging from sexual assault to theft to impersonating a medical doctor/law enforcement officer. Its scumbag "leaders", past and present, should be imprisoned for life. Always remember that on 9/11, the hijackers boarded the planes all legal. They didn't have machine guns, they didn't have explosives, they didn't have freaking dolphins with freaking lasers on their freaking heads. They boarded with box cutters and blades that were allowable on all domestic commercial flights that day. Whether it was TSA or the minimum wage guys who used to do security, neither would have prevented 9/11 with the rules in place that morning. Thus, we have the ever expanding "gee, maybe it's the shoes/belts/batteries/bottles of water/whatever" whack-a-mole approach to security these days. We're closing in on 8 years (August 2006) in the War on Water. Eight freaking years since we were able to take a bottle of water, a cup of coffee or a full-size tube of tooth paste through airport security. Everyone except the paranoid and those looking to make money and/or political hay off of it has known it's stupid since about 8 years ago. Yet, even with Pre-Check and everything else, the ban remains. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23273683)
USA Today Article
Mr. Elliott is right. It's a disgrace how many have rolled over for TSA. Your representative is up for reelection this midterm. If he/she supports TSA, definitely vote for someone else. This disgusting, un-American agency should be kicked out of all USA airports and its employees should be charged with crimes ranging from sexual assault to theft to impersonating a medical doctor/law enforcement officer. Its scumbag "leaders", past and present, should be imprisoned for life. |
While reps may be up for re-election, the TSA just isn't a priority for the majority of voters, myself included. Economy, foreign policy, etc. frame much more important policy positions than the TSA.
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Originally Posted by eghansen
(Post 23275760)
I support the TSA fully, absolutely and completely with all my heart and soul. I don't ever want another 9/11. In my opinion, what happened on that day was our fault due to our lackadaisical attitude toward lives and safety. The problem has been rectified and I never want to go back.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
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This disgusting, un-American agency should be kicked out of all USA airports and its employees should be charged with crimes ranging from sexual assault to theft to impersonating a medical doctor/law enforcement officer. Its scumbag "leaders", past and present, should be imprisoned for life.
Presumably you'd at least grant the agency's top brass a trial before they're "imprisoned for life" on the heinous charge of trying to make air travel safer? Or does the Constitution not apply when frequent flyers are inconvenienced? |
Originally Posted by eghansen
(Post 23275760)
I support the TSA fully, absolutely and completely with all my heart and soul. I don't ever want another 9/11. In my opinion, what happened on that day was our fault due to our lackadaisical attitude toward lives and safety. The problem has been rectified and I never want to go back.
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I would have to agree that the TSA is more of a theater troupe than a security system at this point. It has been proven that it is easier to defeat the full body scanner than a metal detector (at least with metal anyway), and the over all incompetence level is very high. Just yesterday I was told there was an oversized liquid in my bag (there wasnt) they pulled the bag tore it apart found nothing, re-ran it and somehow it was no longer there...
The logical first step in all of this is the immediate removal of the full body scanners. If random selection can send a completely un-prechecked passenger (presumably the high security risk) to the precheck lane, we have to ask our selves what the real point here? A fence is only as strong as its lowest point so if we believe that precheck is a loosened security let not think that evil doers are going to climb the high fence. Getting precheck is supremely easy, if a terrorist wanted to abuse it all they would have to do is fly a handfull of flights on any domestic airline to get enrolled (bypassing the supposed background check). All security should function as precheck does today, then if we really have concerns randomly select passengers for additional screening. (I realize many will be opposed but truthfully the patdowns are the most secure thing they do even if we dont like it). |
The article like many fails to mention airlines love the TSA. The airlines are hoping the TSA will be now be the carry on overhead baggage size police. The TSA already created a huge bump in airline revenue on people using another persons airline tickets. Both issues have zero to do with security. The ticket name issue is silly. A terrorist can have any name and become anyone. The entire name ID checking is a joke unless a national id or serial number is created and no one wants to admit or discuss that fact that biometrics would have to be added.
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It's funny how even a small shift in tone can make a difference. I was recently screened at Heathrow and I alarmed the metal detector. (I can always wear my belt in the US without it going off, but I forget that doesn't always work overseas).
The security screener politely says: Excuse me, sir. Would it be alright if I search you? Can you ever imagine a TSA agent initiating a pat-down that way. It's always delivered instead with phrases like "You need to..." I think a mere change in tone could go a long way to improving security...it certainly made me want to cooperate more. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23273683)
USA Today Article
"The TSA is having a heckuva summer. From a new "trusted" traveler system it's pushing on passengers, to a peculiar new rule that requires certain electronics to power up before they can fly, to numerous bizarre incidents at screening areas, the federal agency tasked with protecting America's transportation systems has been in the news for all the wrong reasons. But that's not the headline. No, the story is us — you and me — and our reaction to the agency's antics and missteps. More than 12 years after the TSA's creation, it seems our anger and outrage have run dry. Travelers have come to accept anything the agency throws at us, no matter how nonsensical and despite its civil-rights implications. The story is our TSA apathy." Mr. Elliott is right. It's a disgrace how many have rolled over for TSA. Your representative is up for reelection this midterm. If he/she supports TSA, definitely vote for someone else. This disgusting, un-American agency should be kicked out of all USA airports and its employees should be charged with crimes ranging from sexual assault to theft to impersonating a medical doctor/law enforcement officer. Its scumbag "leaders", past and present, should be imprisoned for life. Normally I can't stand Elliott but this one is somewhat cogent and on-the-mark. Thanks for posting. |
Originally Posted by eghansen
(Post 23275760)
I support the TSA fully, absolutely and completely with all my heart and soul. I don't ever want another 9/11. In my opinion, what happened on that day was our fault due to our lackadaisical attitude toward lives and safety. The problem has been rectified and I never want to go back.
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Part of the problem is the general public not having the slightest clue about the actual risks of being in an air terrorism related incident. Even with 9/11 the chances of dying in a terrorism incident are incredibly small compared to so many other everyday things, including slips/falls at home, dog bites, heart disease, suicide, etc, etc...terrorism isn't even on the chart. Instead the emotionalism from 9/11 and a few other incidents is used/abused to make decisions and direct investment of tax dollars.
Then the same lack of evidence-based decision making infects the evaluation of what are the best methods to achieve the goal of safe air transport. I'm not saying that no improvements could have been made since 2001, or that there should be "nothing done" to ward off air terrorism. But we weren't ignoring safety with the pre-9/11 procedures, nor is the post- 9/11 TSA environment necessarily doing the right or best things. It's disturbing that the public isn't questioning the TSA environment...I bet a lot more would do so if they really understood things. |
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