Heightened security at U.S airports (and overseas?)
Jul 10, 2014, 10:40 am
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It went into effect on the 7th of July in the United States for flights originating in the U.S., both domestic and international. It is in the TSA Playbook as Operations Directive 400.5, named SEL-001.
Presently it is in place through the 28th of July.
I have confirmed this with multiple people within the TSA, seen the Directive and TSA HQ has now confirmed it.
Presently it is in place through the 28th of July.
I have confirmed this with multiple people within the TSA, seen the Directive and TSA HQ has now confirmed it.
Jul 10, 2014, 2:25 pm
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Technically, if TSA was officially "confiscating" those items, then those items would be in the possession of the TSA. TSA would then have complete freedom as to the ultimate disposition of those items: discard as refuse, resell on the open market, repurpose for other uses, and so on.
What's supposed to be happening under TSA rules is quite different: the items are discarded as refuse, and TSA never takes possession of them....
What's supposed to be happening under TSA rules is quite different: the items are discarded as refuse, and TSA never takes possession of them....
Jul 10, 2014, 10:19 pm
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That is why the government lawyers had the language revised with a reliance upon rulings and legal opinions that undermined the (non-)"right to leave" during screening. Hazmat disposal is part of the picture but that alone wasn't the driver for the TSA language change.
As someone with the kind of lawyerly friends to pick fights from either, both or all sides on such matter, I'm really looking forward to litigation over some such incidents and why a TSA-forced surrender/confiscation of harmless, very valuable electronics was supposedly "necessary" and not "excessively intrusive" when effective x-Ray and/or ETD of a device makes it rather evident that the possibility of the device being contraband WEI is limited to the realm of cartoon/fantasy shows. It's really too bad that passengers subject to TSA forced surrender/confiscation of valuable, legitimate property aren't allowed to video/photo capture images of all the screening technology/process/results being used or not used on and against their own valuable property and maintenance of individual property rights.
I don't know how familiar you are with the academic historical reviews of legal workings of modern states that transitioned from having sort of democratic institutions to having authoritarian and/or totalitarian regimes, but undermining individual property rights, under law and regulation, of otherwise free people has routinely been fundamental to such transitions in each and every case in still living memory.
Jul 10, 2014, 10:25 pm
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The TSA can't have this done as extensively overseas, as (fortunately) the US legal basis for such forced surrender/confiscation of targeted property/property rights in the US doesn't have its equivalent everywhere overseas with flights to the US.
The legal allowance for "security" to force surrender/confiscation of property isn't the same everywhere, as the "right to leave" during screening and/or the "right to exercise valid property rights" hasn't, under law, been equally undermined everywhere with US flight service.
Jul 13, 2014, 7:45 pm
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I believe the restriction to a small volume of liquid was the consequence of a plot foiled by the UK security forces where the terrorists had planned to have explosives in soft drink bottles (using Tang to make it appear and taste like a soft drink). The rationale is that only having a small volume of liquid would significantly reduce the viability of any explosive device.
Just wait until somebody makes a video about making bombs that look like candy bars
Jul 13, 2014, 11:46 pm
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Or bombs that look like carry-on, wheeled cabin bags -- with the wheels or telescoping handle concealing the same sort of contraband as a phone with the same sort of contraband that has the TSA in electronics overdrive at home and and abroad too.
Jul 14, 2014, 12:00 am
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I believe the restriction to a small volume of liquid was the consequence of a plot foiled by the UK security forces where the terrorists had planned to have explosives in soft drink bottles (using Tang to make it appear and taste like a soft drink). The rationale is that only having a small volume of liquid would significantly reduce the viability of any explosive device.
(Hint: it doesn't.)
Jul 14, 2014, 2:41 am
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If this does start in the US before December, please post it here.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
Jul 14, 2014, 6:13 am
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If this does start in the US before December, please post it here.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
Remember when everyone talked about bringing old motor oil or brake fluid to a checkpoint when the War on Water started???
Jul 14, 2014, 7:12 am
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And for about the jillionth time in this forum, how does the small volume of liquid per container and the limited number of containers per person per checkpoint pass prevent one person from mixing the contents of all their containers together airside? How does it prevent multiple persons from mixing the contents of all their containers together? How does it prevent one person from going through the checkpoint multiple times and leaving his liquids airside each time until he has as much liquid as needed?
(Hint: it doesn't.)
(Hint: it doesn't.)
Jul 14, 2014, 2:04 pm
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If this does start in the US before December, please post it here.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
Jul 14, 2014, 2:19 pm
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"Sir, I have two laptops which cannot be turned on. I was just told a few minutes ago that they are forbidden on airplanes. Do you want me to surrender them?"
Jul 14, 2014, 3:01 pm
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Don't you have Best Buy in Israel? Take them to Best Buy, they recycle stuff like that for free. And if you don't have Best Buy in Israel, just bring them with you to the USA and bring them to Best Buy or Staples.
Jul 14, 2014, 9:45 pm
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If this does start in the US before December, please post it here.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
I have two very old laptops that I no longer use and discarding them in a legal manner is a real PITA. I would not object to bringing them with me when I fly TLV-JFK-LAS and passing on this headache to the TSA before getting on my JFK-LAS flight.
It has been in place since July 7th in the U.S. for selectees , and is currently scheduled to be in place through July 28th at which time its continuance will be reevaluated.
Jul 15, 2014, 12:38 am
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