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New TSA fees to increase ticket prices in July!

Old Jun 19, 14, 8:11 pm
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Exclamation New TSA fees to increase ticket prices in July!

I have not seen this posted.

According to an article on Fox Business.com today:

"Transportation Security Administration fees, which are added to ticket prices, are set to rise. In Decemberís budget negotiations, Congress agreed to raise the fees, which are estimated to raise $12.6 billion in the next 10 years.

The agreement raised the fees to a flat rate of $5.60 added to each leg of a trip from $2.50 for a nonstop flight, or $5 for a trip with a layover.

The TSA is looking to charge an extra $5.60 fee for each leg of the flight where there is a connection of more than four hours."

See complete article here:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-...es-next-month/
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Old Jun 19, 14, 8:17 pm
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Well someone has to pay for the billions of dollars of pointless Body Scan machines...
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Old Jun 19, 14, 8:24 pm
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Ridiculous how this just gets rubberstamped by our reps and we only hear about it after it's approved.
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Old Jun 19, 14, 9:00 pm
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Ridiculous how this just gets rubberstamped by our reps and we only hear about it after it's approved.
It has been talked about in the news for months. If you paid a bit of attention the info was there.
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Remember: "All bills will be posted on the White House website for 30 days before I sign them" - B. Obama, on the campaign trail.

Remember: Congress is there to represent us; to give us a voice in OUR government. That is the reason, House members are elected every two years - to keep them in touch with us commoners.

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Old Jun 20, 14, 12:30 am
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The TSA is showing again how it gets creative in its interpretations in order to get its way and take advantage of consumers/passengers .... while at the same time trying to ingratiate themselves with elements of the American equivalent of the "deep state".

Here the TSA fund-raising exercise is also about raising money to finance the general budget deficit and service the national debt, and this change gets away from being a user fee designed to cover just the expenses necessary and attributable to the user's actual use of a facility.

Shame on the TSA for behaving as if words mean whatever the TSA wants them to mean in order to boost its power over the traveling public.

Originally Posted by USA Today
Round trip now means any trip leaving and returning to the same spot. This allows a traveler to fly from Seattle to Los Angeles, then head back and forth to Chicago over a period of days, before returning home to Seattle for $10 in security fees, Leocha said.

Under the TSA proposal, the same itinerary, with at least four hours between each flight, would cost $22.40 in fees. The TSA cited an example that could yield $28 in fees, if a traveler flew from Newark to Chicago to Denver to Las Vegas to Chicago to Newark, with four-hour connections between each city.

The TSA estimated the proposed fees would generate $16.9 billion more in the next decade than the current fee structure. The agency said in a statement Wednesday that revenue not designated for deficit reduction will provide for "civil-aviation security services."
Congress agreed in December to raise TSA fees as part of a budget deal. The agreement was to raise fees starting in July from $2.50 for a non-stop flight, or $5 for a trip needing a connecting flight, to a flat $5.60 each way.

But the agency proposes to change the definition of a round trip, according to details set to be published Friday in the Federal Register. Under the proposal, the TSA plans to charge a separate $5.60 fee for each leg of a flight in which a connection between domestic flights is more than four hours, or between domestic flights in Alaska or Hawaii and international destinations with layovers of more than 12 hours.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ocha/10772799/

From $10 in TSA fees to $22.40 in TSA fees for the very same itinerary.

What a scam.

Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
It has been talked about in the news for months. If you paid a bit of attention the info was there.
Where in the news has the TSA redefinition of "roundtrip" been mentioned for months?

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Old Jun 20, 14, 1:32 am
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Originally Posted by relangford View Post
Remember: "All bills will be posted on the White House website for 30 days before I sign them" - B. Obama, on the campaign trail.

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Bummer that the Constitution gets in the way again, because we all know that a president - even this one - has 10 days to either sign, veto, or do nothing, in which case it becomes law without his signature.
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Bummer that the Constitution gets in the way again, because we all know that a president - even this one - has 10 days to either sign, veto, or do nothing, in which case it becomes law without his signature.
The former Constitutional Law professor said it would be 5 days on the website before he would sign. Then he backed off the 5 days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/us...edge.html?_r=0
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Old Jun 20, 14, 2:19 am
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I suspect that if put to a referendum, this would be overwhelmingly approved.

Most Americans either do not fly or fly so rarely that it would not impact them. There is nothing better than a tax which you don't have to pay (it puts more money into the government's coffers and some of it might be spent on something which benefits you).

Don't believe me? Which do you think would get more support from the average American -- a $5 per year increase in the cost of a driver's license or a $200 per year increase in the cost of a passport?
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Old Jun 20, 14, 2:48 am
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Originally Posted by Dovster View Post
I suspect that if put to a referendum, this would be overwhelmingly approved.

Most Americans either do not fly or fly so rarely that it would not impact them. There is nothing better than a tax which you don't have to pay (it puts more money into the government's coffers and some of it might be spent on something which benefits you).

Don't believe me? Which do you think would get more support from the average American -- a $5 per year increase in the cost of a driver's license or a $200 per year increase in the cost of a passport?
Talk about comparing apples and cucumbers. Driving licenses are issued by the states and passports by the federal government.

We don't have direct, national referendums in the US, as the founders of the Constitution wanted to frustrate such features of rule by mob. Absent a change to the US Constitution, how would there even be such a national referendum?

A $200 per year increase or a $5 per year increase for an indefinite number of years? I'm betting that the lobbying power of the passport users and beneficiaries of business that involves US passport users is rather substantive in the US Congress and with the US Executive Branch, if passport users were faced with a $200 per year increase. In ten years, that would be a passport costing over $2,000. I doubt that would fly with Congress or the White House. Would it fly with average Americans? Way less now than 20 years ago, as we are now in an era where the majority of US persons have had a valid passport at some point in the recent past and where the general requirement is for US citizens to have a passport if even flying internationally within North America.

In the case of a direct national referendum about a tax, I'm betting that the tax hike would have a good chance of losing.

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Old Jun 20, 14, 6:22 am
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Bummer that the Constitution gets in the way again, because we all know that a president - even this one - has 10 days to either sign, veto, or do nothing, in which case it becomes law without his signature.




The former Constitutional Law professor said it would be 5 days on the website before he would sign. Then he backed off the 5 days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/us...edge.html?_r=0
'Wonder how many days the executive orders are up there???
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Old Jun 20, 14, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much View Post
'Wonder how many days the executive orders are up there???
Zero days before being signed seems to be within the limited range of his norm, but EOs are not bills.

Keep in mind that some OLCs have been of the legal opinion that dissemination of some Executive Orders may be more "informational" in purpose than definitive legal authority binding on the Executive itself, except as the Executive finds suitable until the Executive Order is changed/amended by POTUS or an Act of Congress becomes law and overrides the Executive Order -- this latter element implies the POTUS has not vetoed the bill and/or has not had a veto overturned in Congress on a matter in which POTUS may have run circles around the law nonetheless. Of course such position of OLC's may become interesting in the future when the Judiciary reviews an executive order, as has sort of happened at least twice in living memory.

The Executive tends to play a word demon or rely upon those playing the part of word demons. The TSA is its master's third-rate pupil. Hopefully Congress does something effective on this matter of the TSA playing "creative thinker" and sends the naughty students to detention.

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Old Jun 20, 14, 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by demkr View Post
Ridiculous how this just gets rubberstamped by our reps and we only hear about it after it's approved.
FWIW proposals to raise the fees have been going on for sometime. That said they were rubber stamped as part of the negotiated budget fiasco bill last October during the shutdown.
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Old Jun 20, 14, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar View Post
FWIW proposals to raise the fees have been going on for sometime. That said they were rubber stamped as part of the negotiated budget fiasco bill last October during the shutdown.
Indeed. And the TSA seems to be fine with "doing its part" to fund the government (and the national budget deficit/debt) as a whole by hiking "user fees" where passengers pay the government way more even if passengers don't use them more than usual.
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