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Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 22704220)
All tjis is still scary What it a young person minor travelling. That does not mean that they can pay or their parents can pay.Or their grand parent ME have $ 11.000 (what I have heard) just to throw out to somtehing I dont belive in. The whole thing is scary.
what if the person who is walked to atm maschine does not have that kind of money? A lot of people have their tickets bougth by somebody else. Plus me I never travel with cards at all. I dont have to . Just some cash. Are you confused with CBP? Many agencies around the world do that, including in Europe. What specifically are you scared about and how does that relate to TSA? Or did you mean CBP? |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 22704220)
All tjis is still scary What it a young person minor travelling. That does not mean that they can pay or their parents can pay.Or their grand parent ME have $ 11.000 (what I have heard) just to throw out to somtehing I dont belive in. The whole thing is scary.
what if the person who is walked to atm maschine does not have that kind of money? A lot of people have their tickets bougth by somebody else. Plus me I never travel with cards at all. I dont have to . Just some cash. No examples known of someone asked to pay on the spot, or walked to an ATM, in this country. So, not scary. "Due process" here leaves something to be desired, lately, but it does include a chance to contest the fine *before* it is paid. |
Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian
(Post 22703911)
Depends on the country and "crime".
I have personally been with non- EU citizens pulled over in the Netherlands, for example, who did in fact have to pay a cash fine at that exact time or surrender a passport while they went to the nearest ATM, or in another instance get escorted to an ATM. Same for one popped for basically illegal use of a Coffee shop in Maastricht-paid cash on the spot and given a receipt for the ticket. I have seen people have to pay airport customs fines on the spot in the UK, Italy and Australia several times. I also dealt with non-EU nationals who had to pay fines for offences in Germany, not same day but with a surrendered document. I've seen transit fines needing to be paid on the spot in The Netherlands, Germany, Spain, and Austria. There are others that is just a sampling. And I am not talking the baksheesh or mordida or anything like that, I mean "real" offences, to them at least. Paying on the spot fines is nothing new arond the world and not unique to the USA, and AFAIK the TSA actually does not do that though CBP often does. |
I am talking about what if the person who gets a fine dont have the money at all. Is a tourist. what do they do? I get it is maybe different from Europe. Great. But will that get back to the famly in USA and how does that haunt the in the future?
I am talking about tSA. Contest a fine? Most tourists dont even stay in the country for that. |
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Originally Posted by sirdatary
(Post 22704387)
Back in April 2012, I made a Freedom of Information Act request for all fines levied at TSA checkpoints between 11/20/11 and 1/2/12 and the circumstances that gave rise to those fines.
A couple of weeks ago, TSA responded with a ~150 page document with 2-3 incidents per page. It contained not only the fines that were levied, but also situations where fines were considered but not levied. Much to my surprise - they provided the information in both hard and soft copy, did not charge me for it, and the information was not heavily redacted. I'm still perusing the information, but I can say that the minimum fine was $0, and the maximum that I've seen so far is $1,500. Most of them are in the $125-$500 range. |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 22705328)
I am talking about what if the person who gets a fine dont have the money at all. Is a tourist. what do they do? I get it is maybe different from Europe. Great. But will that get back to the famly in USA and how does that haunt the in the future?
I am talking about tSA. Contest a fine? Most tourists dont even stay in the country for that. There are plenty of scary, and potentially scary, things. This is not one of them. |
tanja, if the person getting fined doesn't have access to money at all how did they pay for their plane ticket? If something happens at a checkpoint, the TSA will right a report which result in the person receiving a notice of violation.
In the case of the TSA they create a notice of violation outlining the fine amount, how to pay it and how to dispute it. Only the person being fined is potentially impacted not their family. If the fine is not paid on time and the person is not a US Citizen they will not be allowed to enter the country and any attempt to get a visa or residency will be held up until the fine is paid. If they have any assets in the US (bank account, car, house etc). The assets might be seized or a lien placed on them until the fine is paid. The only way this can cause problems for family members in the US is if during the visa process they agreed to cover any unpaid expenses by the person who got the fine. Then they would be responsible to pay the fine or face having their wages garnished or assets seized. If you look at section VI of this document you will see the things the TSA can fine you for. http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/fil...nce_policy.pdf Basically as long as you go through the checkpoint following orders and don't carry any guns or weapons you don't have to worry about being fined. |
Originally Posted by GaryD
(Post 22709594)
They will not be barred from leaving the country. They don't need to have any money at the time they are charged. They can contest it later, or not. It will not become a criminal charge, even if ignored. I have not heard of any cases where a foreign tourist was charged, at all.
There are plenty of scary, and potentially scary, things. This is not one of them. |
Originally Posted by ronin308
(Post 22709605)
tanja, if the person getting fined doesn't have access to money at all how did they pay for their plane ticket? If something happens at a checkpoint, the TSA will right a report which result in the person receiving a notice of violation.
In the case of the TSA they create a notice of violation outlining the fine amount, how to pay it and how to dispute it. Only the person being fined is potentially impacted not their family. If the fine is not paid on time and the person is not a US Citizen they will not be allowed to enter the country and any attempt to get a visa or residency will be held up until the fine is paid. If they have any assets in the US (bank account, car, house etc). The assets might be seized or a lien placed on them until the fine is paid. The only way this can cause problems for family members in the US is if during the visa process they agreed to cover any unpaid expenses by the person who got the fine. Then they would be responsible to pay the fine or face having their wages garnished or assets seized. If you look at section VI of this document you will see the things the TSA can fine you for. http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/fil...nce_policy.pdf Basically as long as you go through the checkpoint following orders and don't carry any guns or weapons you don't have to worry about being fined. |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 22709799)
Thank you That is it what I wanted to hear.
Just curious, are you as concerned when they travel to countries in Europe and around the world that do fine on the spot? |
Originally Posted by mkt
(Post 22708312)
Can you post it?
Any tips on how to host this document in a way that everyone will be able to see? Google Drive, maybe? |
Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian
(Post 22710100)
You do understand TSA has no authority to do that right? A dozen people have told you that on this thread already.
Just curious, are you as concerned when they travel to countries in Europe and around the world that do fine on the spot? Also I have heard things over years that did not came through at all. So That is why I am asking. In the end nobody knows. |
TSA controls access to the airport.
CBP controls entry into the USA. If a fine is owed to TSA (from some previous issue), when that pax reaches the TSA checkpoint, how does the agent know about the fine? The agents at the checkpoints don't have computer terminals--I'm sure that they don't have the list memorized. |
Originally Posted by nrr
(Post 22711476)
I'm sure that they don't have the list memorized.
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