TSA following Trusted Travelers' internet usage?
That's what this says to me:
TSA has been testing systems of collecting data about trusted travelers from online activity. The data scans have not been ruled out, but they have been delayed and will not be subjected to live tests. Big brother won’t be parsing Web surfing habits of fast lane candidates until at least mid-summer, according to the notice. The Homeland Security Department will conduct more analysis and research “to define standards for future third party solution applications,” TSA officials said. |
Here is a link to the source article:
http://www.nextgov.com/big-data/2014...ne-data/80065/ The idea that the government would monitor our website usage (i.e. what we read and write) to assess our 'trusted' status is terrifying, and goes further than 1984. This demands action, write your congressmen and Senators immediately and strongly protest this invasion of our First Amendment rights. Talk about a chilling effect. :mad: |
I still don't know why anyone would give into blackmail and sign up for such a program. :confused:
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I suspect 'Big Brother' is already monitoring this information for everyone and has been for some time.
This is just to pre-emptively 'legitimize' the practice so there will be less fuss if at sometime in the future information about the practice leaks out. Does anyone really think that if you currently have TT and you decline to renew in the future you won't be subjected to particular additional scrutiny? |
Originally Posted by Spiff
I still don't know why anyone would give into blackmail and sign up for such a program.
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 22525284)
I suspect 'Big Brother' is already monitoring this information for everyone and has been for some time.
This is just to pre-emptively 'legitimize' the practice so there will be less fuss if at sometime in the future information about the practice leaks out. Does anyone really think that if you currently have TT and you decline to renew in the future you won't be subjected to particular additional scrutiny? |
Originally Posted by janetdoe
(Post 22525197)
Here is a link to the source article:
http://www.nextgov.com/big-data/2014...ne-data/80065/ The idea that the government would monitor our website usage (i.e. what we read and write) to assess our 'trusted' status is terrifying, and goes further than 1984. This demands action, write your congressmen and Senators immediately and strongly protest this invasion of our First Amendment rights. Talk about a chilling effect. :mad: |
Originally Posted by FredAnderssen
(Post 22525491)
I certainly wouldn't, and I travel a lot. As you say, it's extortion, plain and simple.
Even if I wanted to, I don't believe I could sign up for the program since it wouldn't be a stretch for the government to connect my name to my posts here on flyertalk, if they haven't done so already. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 22525951)
It's already been done by the USG.
Just asserting that 'It's already been done by the government,' is not helpful in the least for advancing the discussion. |
Originally Posted by janetdoe
(Post 22527416)
If you're going to make a statement like that, can you please back it up with facts or links or examples for those of us who either a) have no clue what you're talking about or b) like to analyze facts for themselves instead of accepting random statements posted on the internet at face value?
Just asserting that 'It's already been done by the government,' is not helpful in the least for advancing the discussion. According to The Intercept, the NSA spoofed Facebook’s computer servers in order to trick users of the social media site into installing malicious programs that were then used to monitor their activity. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 22525979)
If I had to bet, I'd bet that you clear today.
Sadly, Freedom of Speech has become an anachronism. |
Originally Posted by janetdoe
(Post 22527416)
If you're going to make a statement like that, can you please back it up with facts or links or examples for those of us who either a) have no clue what you're talking about or b) like to analyze facts for themselves instead of accepting random statements posted on the internet at face value?
Just asserting that 'It's already been done by the government,' is not helpful in the least for advancing the discussion. My statements are backed by facts on these matters always. I'm under no obligation to spoon-feed on demand, especially when the details to satisfy another's curiosity or skepticism to a degree I would consider sufficient if in the shoes of another would make it easier for my sources to be compromised. You can write me off however you wish but my record here on these matters stands for themselves, and a bunch of stuff I indicated on here years ago on these matters have been publicly validated repeatedly when the leaks hit the public domain days, weeks, months or years later. Make of this what you wish. There are plenty of public indications of what has been done by our government and our partners in the public and private sectors at home and abroad. I think you can fish for yourself. |
Originally Posted by FredAnderssen
(Post 22527527)
I certainly hope you're correct, as I'm not aware of any boats that go from CPH to the U.S. if I were to land on the No Fly list.
Sadly, Freedom of Speech has become an anachronism. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 22527641)
As with Snowden, I'd not hesitate to try to visit you at CPH to tell you how I would and would not make my way to the Americas if my favorite government would blacklist me for nothing more than being a willing fisher-person for information on government behavior and sharing that for which I'm not professionally-tasked to protect. My last days of caring about security clearances are behind me. :)
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Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 22525209)
I still don't know why anyone would give into blackmail and sign up for such a program. :confused:
After a couple of 2-3+ hour border lineups to enter the USA you just give up and get something like NEXUS. Only one country has ever made me wait more than an hour to enter, and that's the USA; and on more occasions than I can remember. It really is the biggest pain the ... border I've ever crossed. |
If TSA proceeds with this, it is a disgusting development in itself as well as a big middle finger to the people who have been expressing concern about mass surveillance and other forms of government overreach. Federal government actors have obviously chosen to ignore the concerns that are being expressed by the public.
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