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petaluma1 Mar 14, 2014 5:31 am


Originally Posted by NextTrip (Post 22519425)
When I flew home from Japan a couple of years ago, there was a line of about eight female security screeners patting down everyone, both males and females, as the pax walked toward the jetway.

I would wager, however, that those were true pat downs, not the gropes that TSA agents perform. The Japanese female security screeners were not putting their hands in the genital area of male passengers - or females passengers either.

NextTrip Mar 14, 2014 9:52 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 22520950)
Not really. All TSA employees have the option to quit. Those with a conscience would have already done so.

The females apparently have quit!

Spiff Mar 15, 2014 9:17 pm


Originally Posted by NextTrip (Post 22526901)
The females apparently have quit!

The more that quit, the better. Preferably no one would apply to "work" at such a disgusting, un-American agency.

NextTrip Mar 16, 2014 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 22531603)
The more that quit, the better. Preferably no one would apply to "work" at such a disgusting, un-American agency.

Un-American comment aside; the more that quit, the more new hires, the longer/slower the lines.

Spiff Mar 16, 2014 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by NextTrip (Post 22534205)
Un-American comment aside; the more that quit, the more new hires, the longer/slower the lines.

Do not care. Maybe such stats will clue Congress into this disgusting, un-American agency's turnover being no better than before it was Communized. It's certainly not been Professionalized. Other than perhaps in terms of professional organized crime.

Schmurrr Mar 16, 2014 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by NextTrip (Post 22534205)
Un-American comment aside; the more that quit, the more new hires, the longer/slower the lines.

Long lines is not the problem.

eyecue Mar 17, 2014 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 22511280)
I don't know the answers to those questions. But note that the article states that only one-third of TSOs are female. Even if male and female passengers are chosen for pat-downs at equal rates, the inequity in the gender makeup of the TSA means that female TSOs would perform more pat-downs than male TSOs.

You are absolutely correct! The article is wrong on two accounts:
1. Females are not getting to use other stations, which leads to the status that the cannot be promoted.
2. Females are preferred for patting down children. It is same gender across the board.

chollie Mar 17, 2014 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 22539960)
You are absolutely correct! The article is wrong on two accounts:
1. Females are not getting to use other stations, which leads to the status that the cannot be promoted.
2. Females are preferred for patting down children. It is same gender across the board.

Good thing your female former federal judge boss didn't try to come up through the ranks or she'd probably still be at the checkpoint.

:td::td: to her for not taking a stand and leveling the playing field for the women who work for her.

Spiff Mar 17, 2014 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 22541465)
Good thing your female former federal judge boss didn't try to come up through the ranks or she'd probably still be at the checkpoint.

:td::td: to her for not taking a stand and leveling the playing field for the women who work for her.

Reducing the sexual assaults to zero would have done just that. :mad:

relangford Mar 20, 2014 10:40 pm


clue Congress into this disgusting, un-American agency's turnover
Do members of Congress get the grope? If so, they should know the TSA's tactics and threats (unless they fly private jets from some benefactors or the other).


Originally Posted by Spiff: Not really. All TSA employees have the option to quit. Those with a conscience would have already done so.
^

jkhuggins Mar 22, 2014 10:14 am


Originally Posted by relangford (Post 22561429)
Do members of Congress get the grope? If so, they should know the TSA's tactics and threats (unless they fly private jets from some benefactors or the other).

Most members of Congress go through the same security as the rest of the general public. And as with the public ... some members of Congress view the inconvenience/indignity of airline security as evidence of its effectiveness.

cbn42 Mar 23, 2014 4:16 pm

I think part of the problem is that the TSA views itself as some type of a law enforcement organization, and therefore attracts more male applicants. Many of the staff see it as a stepping stone to a job as a sworn officer. It should not be seen like that; rather, it is a clerical job. Once that is made clear, it will attract more females.

mre5765 Mar 23, 2014 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 22511247)
I just read that female TSOs feel that they are being discriminated against because they have to do more pat-downs than male TSOs, which they believe hurts their ability to be promoted.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-leads-workpl/

Of course, this could be resolved by removing most of the body scanners, which would result in far fewer pat-downs being conducted.

Do females opt-out more than males? Or are they chosen for pat-downs more often?

More women pax than male pax wear brassieres. Brassieres with metal trip wtmds. Many brassieres trip NoS. Result: more pat downs for female pax.

The TSA would prefer female pax go bra less. This would certainly boost recruitment. Heterosexual male TSOs could leer at all the pokies. Lesbian TSOs could molest breasts of female pax flying Commamdo.

tsadude1 Mar 24, 2014 5:20 am


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 22574738)
I think part of the problem is that the TSA views itself as some type of a law enforcement organization, and therefore attracts more male applicants. Many of the staff see it as a stepping stone to a job as a sworn officer. It should not be seen like that; rather, it is a clerical job. Once that is made clear, it will attract more females.

The females have nothing to b1tch about when it comes to getting the better jobs within the TSA. Why not take a deeper look as to who is working in payroll,HR, and numerous other office clerical positions at each airport and still holding TSO positions in the FTE.

chollie Mar 24, 2014 9:40 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 22577179)
The females have nothing to b1tch about when it comes to getting the better jobs within the TSA. Why not take a deeper look as to who is working in payroll,HR, and numerous other office clerical positions at each airport and still holding TSO positions in the FTE.

Well, if there's pro-female discrimination in the clerical positions, that should be addressed at the same time as the anti-female discrimination 'on the floor' should be addressed, and in the same way: level the playing field.

Perhaps some of the women in the office jobs moved there because it was a less-desirable job but a faster route to promotion.


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