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'The TSA Blog: TSA Blog Year in Review: 2013'

'The TSA Blog: TSA Blog Year in Review: 2013'

Old Jan 24, 14, 10:55 am
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'The TSA Blog: TSA Blog Year in Review: 2013'

Alternative headline via Drudge Report link:

IN CONTROL: TSA boasts of 638,705,790 searches, pat-downs and screenings of passengers in 2013...
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Old Jan 24, 14, 10:59 am
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Yawn. Throw TSA out of our airports, replace with airline-selected security personnel with no government interference and planes become safer.
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Old Jan 24, 14, 11:25 am
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And each and every prohibited it that was caught should have been caught and thus the TSA is yet again self-promoting for simply doing their job . And then there's the fact that not one single ter'wrist has been caught by the TSA (tho one sock-monkey was rendered harmless)
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Old Jan 24, 14, 3:12 pm
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One of the comments, which is, I believe, from someone we "know:"

Check out this article from 1985 --

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=4844,6538112

Using the low-tech metal detectors, the pre-TSA screeners caught nearly 1,500 guns *in just the first six months of the year."

In other words, nearly twice the rate of the TSA's achievements in 2013.

And according to the data here --

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/ri...01_37.html_mfd

-- there were a little over half as many passengers in 1985 as in 2013.

So the 1985 pre-TSA screeners, using lowly metal detection technology, essentially spotted guns at four times the rate as the TSA and its $8 billion budget.

Care to comment, Bob? Or did I use too many numbers for ya?
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Old Jan 24, 14, 3:49 pm
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One of the comments, which is, I believe, from someone we "know:"
Yup!
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Old Jan 24, 14, 4:01 pm
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One of the comments, which is, I believe, from someone we "know:"


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Check out this article from 1985 --

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=4844,6538112

Using the low-tech metal detectors, the pre-TSA screeners caught nearly 1,500 guns *in just the first six months of the year."

In other words, nearly twice the rate of the TSA's achievements in 2013.

And according to the data here --

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/ri...01_37.html_mfd

-- there were a little over half as many passengers in 1985 as in 2013.

So the 1985 pre-TSA screeners, using lowly metal detection technology, essentially spotted guns at four times the rate as the TSA and its $8 billion budget.

Care to comment, Bob? Or did I use too many numbers for ya?



Another major difference was that anyone could pass through security and go airside back then. They screened a lot more people than just passengers.
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Old Jan 24, 14, 4:33 pm
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Another major difference was that anyone could pass through security and go airside back then. They screened a lot more people than just passengers.
Good point, but no matter how you slice the data, the screeners 30 years ago were clearly no worse at finding guns than today's gang.
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Old Jan 24, 14, 8:02 pm
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Good point, but no matter how you slice the data, the screeners 30 years ago were clearly no worse at finding guns than today's gang.
Yep... Argenbright and similar companies had a narrow scope of responsibility and they did it well. We're a country of wimps afraid of our own shadow and politicians of both parties pander to that fear with great effectiveness.

I go back to the George Carlin days: "The kid who swallows too many marbles doesn't grow up to have kids of his own."
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Old Jan 25, 14, 6:14 am
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These figures don't make much sense to me without context. Far be it for me to defend the TSA (which I won't), but isn't it possible that the pre-9/11 screeners had twice as many weapons being smuggled than the TSA does? That would certainly account for twice as many weapons being seized.

What if the pre-9/11 screeners were up against three times as many guns being smuggled through as the current TSA screeners? Then their catch rate is pretty abysmal compared to the current system.

There needs to be a little more statistics available to be able to parse this in an intelligent way.
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Old Jan 25, 14, 7:06 am
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There needs to be a little more statistics available to be able to parse this in an intelligent way.
Of course we don't know how many weapons TSOs miss either.
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Old Jan 25, 14, 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by saulblum View Post
Of course we don't know how many weapons TSOs miss either.
We actually do have some sense of what they miss. "Red Team" tests of bomb runs at O'Hare and LAX missed 60% and 75% respectively. Someone else could possibly search for firearm statistics, but given the high failure rate of bomb runs, I'm not hopeful that it's that much better.
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Old Jan 25, 14, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by saulblum View Post
Of course we don't know how many weapons TSOs miss either.

But we do know how many tewwowwists were caught at any given US airport.
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Old Jan 25, 14, 8:51 am
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But we do know how many tewwowwists were caught at any given US airport.
If your burglar alarm fails to catch any burglars in the act, do you return it for a refund?

There's plenty to criticize about the TSA, but saying it's a failure because no terrorists have been caught at checkpoints only makes you look, well, stupid.
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Old Jan 25, 14, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by saulblum View Post
If your burglar alarm fails to catch any burglars in the act, do you return it for a refund?

There's plenty to criticize about the TSA, but saying it's a failure because no terrorists have been caught at checkpoints only makes you look, well, stupid.
In a report, the GAO noted that at least 16 people who would later be accused of terrorist plots traveled through US airports in a matter of a few years.

And thanks for using the word "stupid"
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Old Jan 25, 14, 1:04 pm
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In a report, the GAO noted that at least 16 people who would later be accused of terrorist plots traveled through US airports in a matter of a few years.

And thanks for using the word "stupid"
So the goal of checkpoints is to stop passengers who might, in a few years, be planning an attack?

I thought it was to keep weapons off planes, but what do I know?
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