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Honestly for the amount of time I have spent in non-Pre elite lines this week at SFO and MCO, I'd pay a fee to get through Pre!
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CNN has picked up this story
DH is one of those "very frequent fliers" who was invited to participate in the program. Since the program isn't available everywhere in the world, he'd just rather follow the same rules everywhere and declined to participate What a stupid comment. These people don't realise that TSA Pre IS the normal screening process for everyone in rest of world (with a few idiotic exceptions when flying to the US, required by the US) As a 'very frequent flyer' one would think that he would have noticed that a long queue is 10 minutes, other countries don't require shoe removal, etc Until people stop thinking of TSA Pre as something 'special', the general US screening process won't improve. |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 21393105)
Until people stop thinking of TSA Pre as something 'special', the general US screening process won't improve.
My feeling is that they realize that the body scanners and shoe removal are pointless, but they want to save face and not admit they were wrong. Therefore, they are hiding behind this concept of different levels of screening. That way, they can speed things up without anyone accusing them of compromising security. |
Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 21397338)
I think the TSA has said that they want the majority of passengers to be cleared through Precheck in the future.
My feeling is that they realize that the body scanners and shoe removal are pointless, but they want to save face and not admit they were wrong. Therefore, they are hiding behind this concept of different levels of screening. That way, they can speed things up without anyone accusing them of compromising security. That's about what the TSA says or doesn't say. Then there is what the TSA does or doesn't do. In this regard, it's quite clear that currently the TSA has no near-future plans to give PreCheck LLL type screening to the majority of passengers at TSA screening checkpoints. The TSA is not budgeting for elimination of large numbers of strip search machines. They have cut back on bins for shoes, not that most would notice it. |
A Comment from CNN.com
...is pretty much what I, and a few others, have been saying all along. The guy even knew the name of the privilege system in the old USSR!:
This little stunt is very similar to the Soviet Union Communist Party system of privileges, called "Nomenklatura." In a nutshell, the government granted a certain class of people "privileges," however simple they were. In addition to keeping the Communists in power for 70 years, Nomenklatura had these features: 1. The party intentionally created a new special class of people who were more privileged than the peasants. 2. The party created an incentive for people to buy into the privileges, such as "you can keep your shoes on and go through the line faster." 3. The special class who were granted the privileges were in a position to witness, on a daily basis, the value of competing for the privileges. 4. The special class knew that they needed to toe the party line because the Party could suspend or revoke the privilege at any time for any reason (or no reason). 5. Nomenklatura ensured loyalty to the government and the party's policies. 6. Nomenklatura completely removed the special class from any opposing debates. Based on the 1000+ comments, I would say that Nomenklatura in America is working very well. We should be proud. |
And the sad thing is that the non-privileged have been conditioned now to believe that their experience (shoes off, MMW) is 'normal' and 'acceptable'. Look at the comment I posted above; it's just one of pages of people who have no issue with the regular TSA experience.
As more and more flyers move to PreCheck, the voices against the TSA's policies and procedures will become more quiet. |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 21398539)
...As more and more flyers move to PreCheck, the voices against the TSA's policies and procedures will become more quiet.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 21397902)
I usually follow the TSA pretty closely and recall no TSA statement that claims TSA wants PreCheck LLL type screening for the majority of passengers at TSA screening checkpoints. The TSA has said it wants more people included in PreCheck.
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Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 21400451)
According to the Seattle Times, the goal is to have 25 percent of all air travelers eligible for a fast-pass through airport checkpoints by the end of the year — and 50 percent by the end of 2014. http://seattletimes.com/html/travel/...eeningxml.html
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 21402470)
That's according to a columnist from the NYT but what he wrote up doesn't constitute any sort of "TSA statement that claims TSA wants PreCheck LLL type screening for the majority of passengers at TSA screening checkpoints".
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...el=TOC_204816& And here is a USC article specifically citing Pistole saying it. http://create.usc.edu/2013/06/tsa_ad...n_pistole.html |
Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 21402536)
OK well if the New York Times isn't good enough for you, here is a Congressional report with the same statistic.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...el=TOC_204816& And here is a USC article specifically citing Pistole saying it. http://create.usc.edu/2013/06/tsa_ad...n_pistole.html Expanding people participating in PreCheck? TSA has made statements to that effect. Expanding the proportion of PreCheck passengers who get PreCheck LLL type screening? Haven't seen any TSA statements to that effect -- and I doubt it would actually go beyond a statement (even if made) in the next couple of years. |
Originally Posted by cbn42
(Post 21397338)
I think the TSA has said that they want the majority of passengers to be cleared through Precheck in the future.
My feeling is that they realize that the body scanners and shoe removal are pointless, but they want to save face and not admit they were wrong. Therefore, they are hiding behind this concept of different levels of screening. That way, they can speed things up without anyone accusing them of compromising security. |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 21398539)
And the sad thing is that the non-privileged have been conditioned now to believe that their experience (shoes off, MMW) is 'normal' and 'acceptable'. Look at the comment I posted above; it's just one of pages of people who have no issue with the regular TSA experience.
As more and more flyers move to PreCheck, the voices against the TSA's policies and procedures will become more quiet. The point is that, with every year that goes by, we are inculcating the "new normal" on that many more flyers who have no concept of pre-9/11 security. Whether they've been sufficiently scared that there are terrorists hiding behind every rock or just accept the airport the way it is because they've known no differently, time is working against those of us who wish to see a rational airport security policy. Mike |
You can see that in the various 9/11(TM) memorial threads around the interwebz today... most of the "I remember it so well, it's so vivid, where were you" obsessoids are apparently in their 20's today, because they all talk about the teacher stopped teaching to the test long enough to make them watch in high school, middle school, elementary school, etc.
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