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Ayn R Key Jul 3, 2013 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 21024822)
You should have read the report. Standing in your house you get as much radiation in 1.8 minutes as a single scan by the backscatter systems. Once you are on the plane and flying, it only takes 12 seconds to get the same dose.

Given your theory on the concept someone who is 100 years old should be glowing and toxic to the touch. The human body is pretty good at throwing off minute amounts of radiation, otherwise we would all have real problems.

I have a 10 Watt light on my keychain. I use it to find my keyhole on my door in the dark.

My doctor has a 10 Watt light in his office that he uses to burn warts. It has a caution to never look directly at the light.

SeriouslyLost Jul 3, 2013 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 21035173)
You are implying that that would be a change. I think it would be more accurate to say "remain" than "get."

One must encourage the TSO's: they give us such enjoyment here. :D

KDS Jul 4, 2013 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 21035999)
One must encourage the TSO's: they give us such enjoyment here. :D

I'm beginning to think that TSOs are just politicians in training. After all, think of this similarity in behavior, attitude, and personality between TSOs and politicians....

Both think they're the smartest people in the world on every subject just because they were given a uniform/"won" an election (benefit of the doubt, seeing how many suspicious election shenanigans occur).

Poxes on both their heads and houses.

Loren Pechtel Jul 5, 2013 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 21023335)
"WASHINGTON, DC - A new report by an independent task force commissioned by the American Association of Physicists in Medicine (AAPM), has found that people absorb less radiation from airport X-ray backscatter scanner than they do while standing in line waiting for the scan itself."

More at the link below:

http://www.eturbonews.com/35763/radi...much-do-we-get

Even if true this doesn't address the issue of malfunctioning machines. Where's the inspections required of private x-ray machines??

Loren Pechtel Jul 5, 2013 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 21035218)
I have a 10 Watt light on my keychain. I use it to find my keyhole on my door in the dark.

My doctor has a 10 Watt light in his office that he uses to burn warts. It has a caution to never look directly at the light.

Yup. My wife has retinal burns from a light that was less than 1 watt. (Done by a retinologist, not an accident.)

TSORon Jul 10, 2013 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 21034725)
One correction: the report absolute does NOT say that the scanners are safe.

Walking down the street is not safe. Neither is sleeping, breathing, or pumping blood through your heart. I suppose we could accurately describe you as a "die-hard" then, right?

As for the report, I'm not going to do your reading for you. Not for any of you. Read it or dont, follow to the actual report and read that, or dont. No skin off my nose in any case.

If you folks absolutely need something to be scared of, read the link below. THIS I find terrifying in it implications.

LINK

PTravel Jul 10, 2013 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 21075995)
Walking down the street is not safe. Neither is sleeping, breathing, or pumping blood through your heart. I suppose we could accurately describe you as a "die-hard" then, right?

No, you can accurately describe me as a "careful reader." None of the activities you've described above are (1) imposed on me by the government, (2) elevate the medical risks of very specific diseases, or (3) completely unnecessary and without personal return. As I've told you before, I am a melanoma survivor. The report is very, very clear that the x-ray scanning resulted in a concentration of ionizing radiation in the skin layer, the situs where melanoma develops. The report further indicated that the amount of ionizing radiation concentrated in the skin layer is significantly higher (by an order of magnitude if I recall correctly) than background radiation, notwithstanding the total dose absorbed by the entire human body. The report also does not mention the fact that the negative effects of ionizing radiation is cumulative. And, of course, it does NOT say that the scanners were safe.


As for the report, I'm not going to do your reading for you.
Ah, good, because I would never ask you to do so.


Not for any of you. Read it or dont, follow to the actual report and read that, or dont. No skin off my nose in any case.
Interesting choice of metaphor. I hope you never get melanoma or it might, indeed, be a considerable amount of skin off your nose.

What is ironic is that, whereas I actually read the entire report before posting my response to you, you had only read a travel-industry blog entry that summarized it. That, by the way, is one of the reasons why I would never ask you to do any reading for me.


If you folks absolutely need something to be scared of, read the link below.
As I said, I hope you never get melanoma. Do you want to know what's scary? Being told by your doctor that you have a choice: undergo immediate surgery involving slicing off a substantial portion of the skin on your face with the possibility, not only of disfiguring scarring, but of facial paralysis, OR, die within four years when the cancer metastasizes to your brain and lungs. THAT is scary. And that is why anyone who would submit to x-ray scanning by TSA is not just a fool, but a damned fool. By the way, I was lucky -- the 5-inch scar on my face isn't all that noticeable and no nerves were severed so there is no paralysis.


THIS I find terrifying in it implications.

LINK
What about it do you find terrifying? Too many big words?

petaluma1 Jul 11, 2013 6:11 am

Thought you said you weren't coming back, but I guess you couldn't control your fingers on the keyboard.


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 21029399)

In any case, I am back out again. Fun to watch the show but I have no further interest in participating. I'll check in every now and again, just to keep my account active and to see just how far off the edge some are willing to walk. As you type just think of me laughing in the background at the statement you make. :D

WRT your link, are you worried that the government will take over your ham radio?

The history of this executive order seems to be that Congress dilled and dallied for a couple of years over legislation to allow the government to take over communications in the event of an emergency but they never took any action. Therefore, after a couple of natural disasters, the President acted. One comment listened to from EPIC, is that better DHS than the military having the responsibility for any take over.


Walking down the street is not safe. Neither is sleeping, breathing, or pumping blood through your heart.
What a totally bizarre, illogical statement to make. However, I guess it's about what we expect from you.

BTW, I, too, have had melanoma and have a 5" long scar.

How about you read this, Ron, to educate yourself:

http://www.telmarc.com/White%20Paper...ackscatter.pdf


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