Denied Global Entry
Apr 15, 2015, 3:52 pm
#196
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 214
would it be too late to try and appeal a denial from 2013? also all my denial letter said was that i did not meet the eligibility requirements. i have no idea what that could be. i tried emailing the ombudsman, who kindly referred me to the original denial letter.
Apr 15, 2015, 4:40 pm
#197
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: Marriott Titanium and LTP, Hilton Gold, United Silver
Posts: 786
It seems that my arrests weren't sealed and they did appear. I wasn't trying to be aloof, but when I was asked what happened, I gave a brief answer. After 12 years, who would remember exactly what counts were filed against someone? The officer then started ticking them off. And I responded, OK, I guess so, but it was dismissed. Everything was dismissed.
My point is I didn't lie about anything. When youre asked a general question "Have you ever been arrested", how much detail should you be prepared to volunteer at the outset?
It all seems totally unfair. $100 for nothing.
My point is I didn't lie about anything. When youre asked a general question "Have you ever been arrested", how much detail should you be prepared to volunteer at the outset?
It all seems totally unfair. $100 for nothing.
Apr 15, 2015, 8:12 pm
#198
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Location: jfk area
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Why should being arrested (NOT CONVICTED) make one ineligible for GE? There are many instances of false arrest.
Apr 16, 2015, 1:30 am
#199
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Yes. I would suggest filing a new application instead.
Apr 16, 2015, 7:50 am
#200
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: Marriott Titanium and LTP, Hilton Gold, United Silver
Posts: 786
Because there could be a statistical correlation with inability to guarantee that this passenger is "known" enough. The point is that he has the right to travel. He does NOT have the right to be in the Global Entry program--that is a privilege. If you cannot meet certain thresholds of confidence in your "known" status as a "good" traveler, then you don't get in. The GE program is about getting the creme of the crop. Being arrested--even if not convicted--could mean that the government cannot be fully confident in you and will not grant you security waivers.
Apr 16, 2015, 9:14 am
#201
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Because there could be a statistical correlation with inability to guarantee that this passenger is "known" enough. The point is that he has the right to travel. He does NOT have the right to be in the Global Entry program--that is a privilege. If you cannot meet certain thresholds of confidence in your "known" status as a "good" traveler, then you don't get in. The GE program is about getting the creme of the crop. Being arrested--even if not convicted--could mean that the government cannot be fully confident in you and will not grant you security waivers.
As I noted in my previous post, a false arrest can occur (corrupt, incompetent, over-zealous police person)--should not stigmatize the applicant; which from things I've read, is why CONVICTIONS is in general the disqualification barometer GE uses.
Apr 16, 2015, 9:25 am
#202
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Hawai'i Nei
Programs: Au: UA, Marriott, Hilton; GE
Posts: 7,128
Quote:
Originally Posted by NDN
Because there could be a statistical correlation with inability to guarantee that this passenger is "known" enough. The point is that he has the right to travel. He does NOT have the right to be in the Global Entry program--that is a privilege. If you cannot meet certain thresholds of confidence in your "known" status as a "good" traveler, then you don't get in. The GE program is about getting the creme of the crop. Being arrested--even if not convicted--could mean that the government cannot be fully confident in you and will not grant you security waivers.
There are several posts here from people have been arrested, but NOT convicted; they were approved for GE.
As I noted in my previous post, a false arrest can occur (corrupt, incompetent, over-zealous police person)--should not stigmatize the applicant; which from things I've read, is why CONVICTIONS is in general the disqualification barometer GE uses.
Originally Posted by NDN
Because there could be a statistical correlation with inability to guarantee that this passenger is "known" enough. The point is that he has the right to travel. He does NOT have the right to be in the Global Entry program--that is a privilege. If you cannot meet certain thresholds of confidence in your "known" status as a "good" traveler, then you don't get in. The GE program is about getting the creme of the crop. Being arrested--even if not convicted--could mean that the government cannot be fully confident in you and will not grant you security waivers.
There are several posts here from people have been arrested, but NOT convicted; they were approved for GE.
As I noted in my previous post, a false arrest can occur (corrupt, incompetent, over-zealous police person)--should not stigmatize the applicant; which from things I've read, is why CONVICTIONS is in general the disqualification barometer GE uses.
Apr 18, 2015, 1:57 am
#203
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: California
Programs: AA EXP...couple hotels and cars too
Posts: 4,548
It is possible that someone with such attitudes toward law enforcement might not sufficiently hide them and if there is a "Call to make," they are not given the benefit of doubt. No GE for those who question authority because GE holders need to follow rules without question.
... am I dong in GE if that is remotely true?
IMO the 'interview' for GE is a total waste of time. arrest records are low hanging fruit for them to justify a useless activity.. "look at all our busy work"
Apr 18, 2015, 2:36 am
#204
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Hawai'i Nei
Programs: Au: UA, Marriott, Hilton; GE
Posts: 7,128
Quote:
Originally Posted by 747FC
It is possible that someone with such attitudes toward law enforcement might not sufficiently hide them and if there is a "Call to make," they are not given the benefit of doubt. No GE for those who question authority because GE holders need to follow rules without question.
HaHa. funny
... am I dong in GE if that is remotely true?
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Originally Posted by 747FC
It is possible that someone with such attitudes toward law enforcement might not sufficiently hide them and if there is a "Call to make," they are not given the benefit of doubt. No GE for those who question authority because GE holders need to follow rules without question.
HaHa. funny
... am I dong in GE if that is remotely true?
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Apr 19, 2015, 8:32 pm
#205
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: 대한민국 (South Korea) - ex-PVG (上海)
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Posts: 1,995
Al Capone was never convicted after many arrests until his income tax evasion trial. Should he have gotten GE (if it had existed then)? There have been many gangsters with arms-long arrest records but no convictions (courtesy of clever lawyers). People who "get arrested a lot" might indicate some problems with honesty and morals. Of course, I have never been arrested, so I don't know what it's like. I also suspect that a customs violation (e.g., Cuban cigars, salami, fruits, non-disclosure of cash) would be of more interest to CBP than not wearing a seat belt. OTOH, even before the interview, the applicant has to list all convictions but not all arrests; if the agent is going to ask about arrests, shouldn't that be on the application, too?
Apr 30, 2015, 9:25 am
#206
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Cumming, GA
Programs: DL, AA, IHG, Hilton, SPG, Marriott
Posts: 5
Just applied and I disclosed my traffic fines
From what I could tell online, Georgia - where all my tickets are from - technically treats traffic violations as criminal. So, to be safe, I ticked yes and listed the three tickets I have had in the last 23 years (there were two others but I pled no lo so those were not convictions). I don't travel a ton internationally, so if I get denied, so be it. I mainly want PreCheck and since my credit card reimburses for GE, I figured I would apply.
Derek
Derek
Last edited by aztimm; Apr 30, 2015 at 9:46 am