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BubbaLoop Mar 3, 2013 8:14 am

I originally wrote: "The point here is that full body scans are inappropriate methodologically for the task at hand."

To which you replied (rather impolitely, in my opinion): "That is entirely besides the point being discussed."

I replied to that:


I disagree. Choice of methodology should take into account not only the ability to locate what you want but also the lack of extensive false positives, or "alarms" unrelated to security. A method appropriate for the task at hand will not be gender-sensitive, therefore gender differences will never be an issue. WTMD and ETD are unaltered by gender, while full body scans will hassle persons who are different in ways completely unrelated to airport security.
This was also excellently pointed out by RadioGirl, above.

You now claim I am repeating what you said:


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 20347748)
Am I not posting in English again? You're simply saying what ive already said.

Why canīt you just admit you crossed the line before (or maybe did not understand what I was saying) and apologize, instead of now claiming I am somehow stealing your opinion?

FlyingHoustonian Mar 3, 2013 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 20347788)
Again, irrelevant. You're conflating two distinct operational acts into one. It simply doesn't matter what gender a person is to the scanner. The bit where you talk about maybe the software scanning differently for boys or girls is simply laughable.

What blatherskite. I guess it is laughable if one does not know anything about computer programing or physics, which from the above post it would seem not (and that is ok mind you, but one should not bring it up if one does not).

I am not doing anything of the of sort. Just because you want to pontificate and make a bigger point about gender mores in US society does not make the machine any more human. The debate about the feckless nature of NoS (or other inance TSA policies) is one thing, but under current TSA policies the question is valid, just as the age questions are, and those that ask for certain status like military or airline employee which allow certain classes to skip parts of the screening.

We have plenty of debates on how to fix the very broken TSA. This is not one of them no matter how much you want it to be.

Schmurrr Mar 3, 2013 6:35 pm

I suppose there are no "child" and "adult" buttons. The system presumably adapts in that regard.

SeriouslyLost Mar 3, 2013 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 20349983)
If you meant "the scanners should be able to scan someone without having the option selected (but I am aware that they currently lack this feature for whatever reason)" then ignore this post.


Indeed. :)

SeriouslyLost Mar 3, 2013 11:05 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 20352593)
What blatherskite. I guess it is laughable if one does not know anything about computer programing or physics, which from the above post it would seem not (and that is ok mind you, but one should not bring it up if one does not).

Oh, go on then, stun us all with a display of your knowledge about how the physics behind a mm wavelength or low energy radiation sources really need a botton marked boy or girl. And at the same time, tell me all about the programming needs in that regard. I'm comfortable with a discussion about programming decision heuristics and am perfectly comfortable with my statement that any programmer requiring boy or girl buttons for an automated alarm system is a lazy programmer.

gojirasan Mar 8, 2013 10:10 pm


I am filing a complaint with the TSA. They need to know what this feels like. They need to make some changes. There should be another way to do this, another way to handle those of us who don't conform to gender stereotypes, so that we don't feel less than human. I'll let you know what the TSA says. How awesome would it be if something came of this?
Wow. What an idiot. He actually believes that filing a complaint with the people responsible is going to change anything?

He does not seem to actually be on our side, despite this experience. He 'hates' the TSA, but is not advocating their dissolution. Yet another person who would be perfectly happy to see everyone else in the world suffering and being humiliated as long as it doesn't affect them personally.

He doesn't want to get rid of the body scanners. He just wants them to somehow magically enable the L3 mmw machines to do their thing without knowing gender. Presumably if L3 could have done that with similar levels of false positives they would have.

As far as hating people for perceiving him exactly how he wants to be perceived that is completely irrational. The TSOs certainly don't bear any blame for this situation. (S)He seems to be indistinguishable from a male and wants to be treated as a male...except when he doesn't.


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