article: Gov’t-Issued Identification Not Needed To Pass Through TSA Security
Feb 8, 2013, 9:59 am
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article: Gov’t-Issued Identification Not Needed To Pass Through TSA Security
If you want to vomit in your mouth a little read the comments after too...
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...-tsa-security/
and this gem
Billie Vincent, I am glad you are a "former" director.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...-tsa-security/
SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) – Showing a government-issued identification at a Transportation Security Administration checkpoint is a practice most travelers consider part of the flying experience, however it is not mandated by federal law.
A KPIX 5 investigation reveals that passengers can pass through security checkpoints using a broad range of documentation including utility bills, prescriptions, credit cards, and even Costco membership cards – a fact that surprises veteran travelers....
A KPIX 5 investigation reveals that passengers can pass through security checkpoints using a broad range of documentation including utility bills, prescriptions, credit cards, and even Costco membership cards – a fact that surprises veteran travelers....
Independent aviation security experts worry this policy that gives a lot of discretion to agents poses a security risk. “Every time you time you introduce a vulnerability, our adversaries are going to take advantage of that,” says Billie Vincent, former director of the Federal Aviation Administration Office of Civil Aviation Security.
Feb 8, 2013, 11:13 am
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Meanwhile, much of the rest of the world doesn't require an ID check to enter the 'sterile' areas.
If security has done its job properly, no threats to aviation safety have gotten through.
If security has done a 'proper' ID check but failed to do its screening job properly, then threats can still enter the 'sterile' area and even board the plane.
If security has done its job properly, no threats to aviation safety have gotten through.
If security has done a 'proper' ID check but failed to do its screening job properly, then threats can still enter the 'sterile' area and even board the plane.
Feb 8, 2013, 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by TSA Spokeshole
But TSA officials are more confident and believe the identifications can only provide a certain level of security. They point to other forms of security that take place before check-in as more meaningful, calling the physical checkpoints the last but certainly not the most important step on the road to safety.
Here's Billie Vincent's bio.
His company provides aviation security consulting.
So it's in his company's best interest to make up and then point out security holes.
Feb 8, 2013, 1:10 pm
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Some guy challenged them on this matter. I think the
ruling was there is a "Secret Law" that exists but that they couldn't
show him. I don't get why there are Secret Laws, since there's
no way you could keep informed of them, but I remember that
being the ruling.
Yup, found it:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The U.S. Department of Justice has asked an appellate court to keep its arguments secret for a case in which privacy advocate John Gilmore is challenging federal requirements to show identification before boarding an airplane.
Disclosing the restricted information "would be detrimental to the security of transportation," the government wrote.
ruling was there is a "Secret Law" that exists but that they couldn't
show him. I don't get why there are Secret Laws, since there's
no way you could keep informed of them, but I remember that
being the ruling.
Yup, found it:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The U.S. Department of Justice has asked an appellate court to keep its arguments secret for a case in which privacy advocate John Gilmore is challenging federal requirements to show identification before boarding an airplane.
Disclosing the restricted information "would be detrimental to the security of transportation," the government wrote.
Feb 9, 2013, 7:12 am
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The Costco card thing is real, a few times a TSA employee had rejected my form of Gov't ID and asked for a Driver's License or Passport.
Each time I say all I have is that Global Entry card or that Passport card (whatever is in front of the employee), errr I do have a Costco card.
Each time the TSA employee says let me see that and after looking at it, allows me to pass with my Costco card.
I have started to jokingly say that TSA knows that would be bad people do not have the $55 to acquire a Costco membership, thus I am safe to fly if I have my Costco card.
While entering Canada once, the Canadian Immigration officer after looking at my Passport asked for another form of ID (I am not sure why) and I offered him any of Credit Cards (which he said No to) and than said I do have my Costco card. He said, let me see that and after looking at it welcomed me to Canada and said Costco is a great store, my wife and I shop there all the time. That is the longest conversation I ever had with a foreign Immigration official.
Dan
Each time I say all I have is that Global Entry card or that Passport card (whatever is in front of the employee), errr I do have a Costco card.
Each time the TSA employee says let me see that and after looking at it, allows me to pass with my Costco card.
I have started to jokingly say that TSA knows that would be bad people do not have the $55 to acquire a Costco membership, thus I am safe to fly if I have my Costco card.
While entering Canada once, the Canadian Immigration officer after looking at my Passport asked for another form of ID (I am not sure why) and I offered him any of Credit Cards (which he said No to) and than said I do have my Costco card. He said, let me see that and after looking at it welcomed me to Canada and said Costco is a great store, my wife and I shop there all the time. That is the longest conversation I ever had with a foreign Immigration official.
Dan
Feb 10, 2013, 6:41 am
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The ability to shop at Warehouse Club with a return policy that is unbeatable. 
On a more serious note, a good friend of mine works for Costco and he has had a few customers come in and tell him and his employees that their COSTCO cards have been accepted as an acceptable form of ID by TSA.
Dan
On a more serious note, a good friend of mine works for Costco and he has had a few customers come in and tell him and his employees that their COSTCO cards have been accepted as an acceptable form of ID by TSA.
Dan
Feb 10, 2013, 8:08 am
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I did have a Costco card, I seem to remember that they asked for a drivers license before they issued their card--if so, the TSA would know that you did have a DL.
[There are too many gaps in this chain of reasoning--but, remember we are dealing with TSA...]
On a more serious note, shouldn't TSA accept (unofficially) any of the following as ID's: facultly/student ID (especially(?)) if issued by a state/city institution, a discount senior transportation card, assuming these all have pictures?
[There are too many gaps in this chain of reasoning--but, remember we are dealing with TSA...]On a more serious
note, shouldn't TSA accept (unofficially) any of the following as ID's: facultly/student ID (especially(?)) if issued by a state/city institution, a discount senior transportation card, assuming these all have pictures?
Feb 10, 2013, 10:46 am
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I've flown with my gym membership card as my only ID.
Feb 10, 2013, 5:17 pm
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I did have a Costco card, I seem to remember that they asked for a drivers license before they issued their card--if so, the TSA would know that you did have a DL. [There are too many gaps in this chain of reasoning--but, remember we are dealing with TSA...]
On a more serious note, shouldn't TSA accept (unofficially) any of the following as ID's: facultly/student ID (especially(?)) if issued by a state/city institution, a discount senior transportation card, assuming these all have pictures?
[There are too many gaps in this chain of reasoning--but, remember we are dealing with TSA...]On a more serious
note, shouldn't TSA accept (unofficially) any of the following as ID's: facultly/student ID (especially(?)) if issued by a state/city institution, a discount senior transportation card, assuming these all have pictures?We both laughed, but his was more of a nervous laugh.