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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19534395)
Now, can we actually get back to the purpose of this thread, or are the character assassinations going to continue and thereby end what had promised to be an entertaining discussion?
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 19492925)
Ron, this thread is about the TSA discovering non-prohibited items and the requirements therefor. You were the one that wanted a new thread in a new forum to discuss this, but you don't want to directly answer the two questions posed, which were:
1. Has the TSA trained you to detect "these things" that are unrelated to the safety of air travel (i.e. non-prohibited items)? 2. Are you aware of any TSO being reprimanded or worse for failing to report "these things" that are unrelated to the safety of air travel and for which you have not been trained to detect (e.g. child pornography, illegal drugs)? [. . . ] I do find it interesting to note that the TSA is looking for certain past experiences and you note your prior training "to recognize a grenade, or marijuana". The TSA does train you to recognize the former, but not the latter. Are you implying that during your hiring process, the TSA was interested in your ability to recognize illegal non-prohibited drugs? Are you implying that such a question even comes up during the hiring process? Are you implying that if two TSO equally-qualified candidates are being considered for one position, that the training in recognizing those drugs could be the deciding factor? |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19534395)
So, either you are much better with Google than your fellow’s here, or you served. Which is it?
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19534395)
As for your paperwork, well I have already told you that you need to tell us as I was not there and you were. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...n-weapons.html That's twice in this thread I've posted it, plus 11 pages in the original. Why do you refuse to answer my very simple question? If you are the security expert that you claim to be, I'm sure it's not a difficult answer, right? |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19534395)
You have a good point. The lines are indeed a possible point of attack. But outside of the sterile area and checkpoint is not a TSO’s responsibility. There are police officers and more that have those areas as their responsibilities. Agencies like the FBI, the NSA, even the CIA. Or are you wanting the TSA to extend its areas of responsibility beyond what it is currently? That would be silly, wouldn’t it?
1. There are substantial lines between the TDC and the checkpoint exits. Those are within the checkpoint. The slovenliness, laziness, and inefficiency of the clerks makes those lines longer (and thus more vulnerable) than they need to be. 2. It is the TSA's responsibility to minimize the security risks it creates. Conducting screening efficiently so as to avoid the assembly of concentrated, vulnerable groups of passengers does not constitute "being responsible for areas outside of the sterile area and checkpoint." The inefficiency of the clerks increases hazards. It is the TSA's responsibility to operate efficiently; pointing out that its failure to operate efficiently presents a hazard is not a call for the TSA to extend its responsibilities. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19534395)
If you are such an authority in the area then please, by all means, join us! It would be nice to have such an expert in the area working with us. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 19534727)
I served. I directly answer your questions; are you unable to reciprocate?
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Answer me this while you are at it, Ron
Tell me, Ron. Why was I pulled off the jetway and made to miss my flight for sitting in chairs at the end of the checkpoint?
I had already been groped, my bags had been screened. What possible threat could I have been to my flight? I still need answers! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...my-flight.html |
Tell me, Ron...... I have not flown in over 2 years now, but the war stories and lunatic ravings of the resident government clerk are still equal parts amusing and depressing. |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 19534709)
Your post and supposed interest to "actually get back to the purpose of this thread" is belied by your actual response. Almost a week later and still no direct response to the following, which is the proffered reason why you insisted on continuing any discussion in this forum in a new thread:
1. Has the TSA trained you to detect non-prohibited items, such as illegal drugs, large amounts of cash, kiddie porn, or checks from a two-person checking account with only one signature on them? 2. Are you aware of any TSO being reprimanded or worse for failing to report any of the things I just listed? (Edited to add: Not counting those TSOs who have been fired and arrested for accepting bribes to allow those things to be smuggled through, or for actively participating in the smuggling of those things). I'll add a third on on my own: 3. Irrespective of officially conducted training, does TSA post any memos, bulletins, newsletters, breakroom posters, or any other printed or electronic material of any kind, which encourages TSA personnel to look for non-prohibited items like those I listed above? NOTE: I don't mean the generic "See Something Say Something" posters which now pollute all American cities with their disgusting Stasi-like paranoia, but I do mean any SSSS posters which list or specify any of those non-prohibited items with pictures or descriptions. I won't hold my breath waiting for a straight-up, non-sarcastic, simple response. |
Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 19744223)
I won't hold my breath waiting for a straight-up, non-sarcastic, simple response.
Chris Christie refused to answer questions about Twinkies. No TSO is going to answer a question about mission creep. Same thing about the jetway incident. An intelligent and articulate TSO won't attempt to defend the indefensible. A waste of everybody's time to think it was going to go down ANY OTHER WAY. |
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