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myrgirl Sep 15, 2012 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 19322433)
myrgril After reading your posts you do seem very sincere. You also seem like some one who belongs in a much better position than working as a tso. Honestly & no disrespect meant I couldn't do your job for any amount of money. No way I could go home knowing that I make a living "feeling people up".

When I fly I treat the tso the way I'm treated, that's how I roll. I also do not want to talk or have any thing to do with them that I don't have to. Just get it over with then I can go have a Starbucks:) I'm loaded with stress until I'm through the cp.

All I can say is the "feeling people up" portion of my job is a very tiny portion of my job. Thank. God. Roughly half of our time is spent in baggage at the current time. It's no secret MYR is expanding, so what happens after the move is anyone's guess. But as for now roughly only half our time is in the checkpoint. That time is split between various functions such as xray, exit monitor, ticket checker, etc, so once the whole thing is boiled down, any one of us may do a full pat down only once or twice in a a week. Thank goodness. If my job was consistent solely with "feeling people up" it would be horrible. I appreciate when people treat me well, but I also don't like to see people stressed out. I do my very best to treat people well even if they act like a dick toward me. After all, I don't know what's happened in their life or in their day to cause them to act that way.

myrgirl Sep 15, 2012 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 19322471)
Tsa does not make us feel "safe"; it makes us feel violated.

Your description of the "Intel" proves that you are being conditioned to see each passenger as a threat unless proven otherwise. How can you in good conscience work for such an employer?

It shouldn't be that way. :mad: Gosh, it really shouldn't! There has got to be a way to objectively look at passengers without all this guilty until shown innocent crap. There has to be a way!

littlesheep Sep 15, 2012 9:16 pm

Gosh, please stop it.

The whole faux innocence is tired.

Gosh gee golly whiz. So picket fency. I so don't buy it.

myrgirl Sep 15, 2012 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by littlesheep (Post 19323039)
Gosh, please stop it.

The whole faux innocence is tired.

Gosh gee golly whiz. So picket fency. I so don't buy it.

If you don't buy it then you don't buy it. I can't make you. I'm me and that's who I am. What I've said has been sincere or I wouldn't have tried. I posed the question because this particular screening bothered me. I've been a member of this forum for 8 years and felt that I could get some good discussion here. Don't believe me? Your choice.

mybodyismyown Sep 15, 2012 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by myrgirl (Post 19321661)
<snip> As a TSO I see the need to screen devices; I read intel briefings and I read the news and I understand the need to screen something such as a colostomy bag because it could be faked and such. As a human being, I also see the need for privacy and discretion as well as the need for compassion and humanity. How does a TSO such as myself reconcile the two?

The fact is that none of your procedures can determine whether a colostomy bag has been faked. The swab you performed is self-evidently ineffective because there is still no means to determine whether a medical device is or contains a weapon. You have caused this passenger and countless others real harm, and none of your actions has any security value. There is only the harm you have caused - there is no benefit.

I submit to you the Congressional testimony of Fred Cate:
We have spent more than $2 billion installing a technology to identify “anomalies” that we cannot practically evaluate for the risk they pose. It was this inability to clear many of the false positives identified by AITs that led to the TSA’s disastrous policy begun last October of intimate, intrusive searches. The problem is that despite their intimacy, the searches did nothing to help the agent determine whether the “anomaly” was a real risk or just another false positive.

This is especially clear in the case of people with medical devices or prosthetics. As a diabetic on an insulin pump—a device the size of a pager strapped to my waist that provides life-sustaining insulin—under the TSA’s October policy, an agent would search me head to toe, including a careful pat-down of my genitals—as if somehow my genitals have become suspicious because I use an insulin pump. At the end of the search, however, the agent has no better idea than he did at the beginning whether the pump is loaded with insulin or high-tech explosives.

After two months of this policy, the TSA shifted ground and determined that insulin pumps would not require a full body search, but instead would be swabbed and the swab tested for explosive residue. A colleague of mine who works for the federal government and is also a diabetic described the indignity of recently having a TSA agent at Dulles International Airport reach inside her underwear with the swab. To what end? Are insulin pump users more likely than other travelers to secret explosives on their bodies? And what happened to the much-vaunted AIT machines that were supposed to detect the presence of such explosives? Why are we now swabbing inside travelers’ underwear as well as using AITs to peer inside, especially when there is no sign of any “anomaly” from either technique?

I have found it easier and far less intrusive to simply remove my insulin pump before being required to undergo AIT screening. (I don’t remove it before passing through a metal detector because it doesn’t trigger any alarm.) I am fortunate to have this option; most travelers with medical devices or prosthetics aren’t so lucky. But I am still left with the tiny plastic cannula in my abdomen to which the pump connects. The AIT sometimes—interestingly, not consistently—identifies this as an “anomaly.” When it does, a TSA agent pats me down, feels the sensor, and says “what is this?” I say “an insulin cannula” and the agent invariably politely waives me through. The agent has no idea, no verification, and no certainty what is actually taped to my stomach. I am “cleared” not because the agent has determined that the plastic tube poses no danger, but because there is no way a TSA agent can make any further determination.

Many travelers suffer far greater indignities due to physical searches, triggered by AIT “anomaly” detection, that reveal nothing about whether the “anomaly” poses a threat. For example, after agents finish inspecting the breasts of a woman with an implant, they have no better idea whether the implant is filled with liquid explosives or silicone. The same is true with prosthetic limbs, urostomy bags, and most other medical appliances.

This type of response to having the AIT identify something as an “anomaly” is the very definition of “security theater”—it looks like the agency is doing something, but it accomplishes nothing. The same is true with many, perhaps most, of the searches that are triggered by AIT “anomalies.” A rational person might question whether it is worth the money we are spending to identify “anomalies” if the vast majority of them (indeed, perhaps all of them) are false positives, and we lack the practical ability to follow up on many of them in any event. This is the height of ineffectiveness.
Also, I am no good at hiding my emotions so I've had many a tearful breakdown at the checkpoint, but I also have spoken with dozens of others who admitted they cried only after the violation and not during. Whether you saw them or not, you have certainly caused many tears and many hours of emotional anguish and sleeplessness with your pointless invasions of people's privacy.

In an earlier post on this thread, I mentioned this trove of letters, which are excerpted here. Please read them to discover how it feels to be on the other side of the checkpoint.

exbayern Sep 16, 2012 1:22 am

duplicate

exbayern Sep 16, 2012 1:23 am


Originally Posted by myrgirl (Post 19322473)
I like this. I've always been a proponent of the combo WTMD/Bulk Item Patdown. Sure, it causes a few skirt wearers and baggy shorts wearers annoyance but overall, I liked it. And I really miss the hand-wand.

Many of us here have a rate higher than 60 percent of secondary checks when wearing skirts. My rate of that simply due to the skirt is ZERO in the rest of the world. There is no reason for TSA to have implemented such a rule.

Your responses frankly sound to me either naive, disingenuous, or frightening. I have to agree with littlesheep.

While I understand loyalty to an employer, I also strongly believe in the need for critical thinking and not blindly following orders.

InkUnderNails Sep 16, 2012 5:22 am


Originally Posted by littlesheep (Post 19323039)
Gosh, please stop it.

The whole faux innocence is tired.

Gosh gee golly whiz. So picket fency. I so don't buy it.

I respectfully disagree. MRY is in South Carolina low country. The tone of her writing is perfect low country politeness. I can even hear the accent in the words. It can be a bit difficult for non-southerners to pick up on, but bless your heart anyway. ;)

littlesheep Sep 16, 2012 10:04 am


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 19324045)
It can be a bit difficult for non-southerners to pick up on, but bless your heart anyway. ;)

Hon, I done lived all over and I've met people from lots of places. Someone who's been working for 8 years for the TSA can't hide behind 'Southern' feminine wiles.

Or would you be forgiving towards a dentist saying: gee, golly whiz, ah sure am sorry I touched y'all in them genitals, I sure feel mighty bad bout it, y'all hear me now? I jes had to make shur y'all y'all dint have no bombs there, hon. [Groping your breasts] as he says this.

exbayern Sep 16, 2012 10:15 am


Originally Posted by littlesheep (Post 19325008)
Someone who's been working for 8 years for the TSA ...

I may be misreading the thread but it seems to me that this may be the first time that myrgirl has really put any amount of thought into the subject. I'm glad that a few of you have challenged her to think a little more about this topic and hence my reference a few posts back about critical thinking skills.

coachrowsey Sep 16, 2012 10:40 am

myrgirl:
I hope you will keep on posting. Most of the tso's have been driven off & I don't post here like I use to .

If I ever make it over your way coffee or prehaps a meal on me:)

exbayern Sep 16, 2012 10:48 am


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 19325139)
Most of the tso's have been driven off

That's rather one-sided view of it. While I don't agree with a lot of TS&S there is fault on both sides for having a gap between TSOs and posters. Certainly some who work for TSA have been treated fairly, but I believe that is how they present themselves here.

littlesheep Sep 16, 2012 10:54 am

The first step to change is admitting the truth. No amount of sweet talkin' or sugar coating will do. This thread is about the psychological suffering of passengers, mostly female, perhaps, so let's get back on topic.

InkUnderNails Sep 16, 2012 1:10 pm

Nevermind...

KDS Sep 17, 2012 11:59 am


Originally Posted by myrgirl (Post 19322872)
...any one of us may do a full pat down only once or twice in a a week. Thank goodness. If my job was consistent solely with "feeling people up" it would be horrible...

But I, as a person who files over 150 times per year, must endure a patdown at least twice or more often EVERY WEEK. If you hate doing it once a week, please think about us who go through it multiple times per week, EVERY WEEK.

I second InkUnderNails' very thoughtful and well worded answers previously. I for one am about at the end of my patience with TSOs' procedures. TSA already keeps my family from flying any more; I fly because of work and to feed my family. But it's getting harder each flight to endure this nonsense.


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