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Tsa does not make us feel "safe"; it makes us feel violated.
Your description of the "Intel" proves that you are being conditioned to see each passenger as a threat unless proven otherwise. How can you in good conscience work for such an employer? |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 19322391)
It is really quite simple.
Passenger enters the area assumed to be fine. Only after the alarm is generated does an invasive search (virtual or hands-on) occur. A body search should only be done in the instance of found evidence, not to find evidence. I think we should do this: *WTMD primary with the option to opt into the AIT. * TSO discretion to offer advice as to when AIT may be better for the passenger. Some examples would be when the passenger volunteers they have a hip or knee replacement or a pacemaker/defibrillator, or the passenger has an unremovable item that more than likely will alarm the WWTD but not the AIT such as bangle bracelets or an elaborate hairdo with lots of bobby pins, or if the person is wearing a baggy or bulky outfit that would require a bulk item patdown ofter the WTMD but not after the AIT. *In my world, the passenger could still say, "Nope, I'll take my chances with the WTMD." with no retaliation. But then again, in my world all liquids would be allowed provided they were removed prior to xray screening and opened and test stripped (with certain exceptions of course like premixed baby formula). If not removed, it doesn't go. (The only reason for that would be to keep the line from growing ridiculously long - I hate when passengers inconvenience other passengers. This is all fine and dandy, but it still doesn't help with the current problem. Currently, we have to work with what is mandated to us, so I need to find a way to make such screenings an easy as possible while following the current rules. |
To myrgirl.
I think like a lot of other psoters that you really are a good girl. So can you answer me this. If I was selected to get a invasive pat down, why cant I just strip instead of having a pat down? I have been told numerous times if I do I can/will be arrested for indicent exposure. What I cant get into my head why is that indicent exposure and "feeling" me up is not? :confused: |
Another question: as a result of all your conditioning do you now find yourself looking at allstrangers as suspect no matter where you encounter them?
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 19322493)
Another question: as a result of all your conditioning do you now find yourself looking at allstrangers as suspect no matter where you encounter them?
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Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 19322433)
myrgril After reading your posts you do seem very sincere. You also seem like some one who belongs in a much better position than working as a tso. Honestly & no disrespect meant I couldn't do your job for any amount of money. No way I could go home knowing that I make a living "feeling people up".
When I fly I treat the tso the way I'm treated, that's how I roll. I also do not want to talk or have any thing to do with them that I don't have to. Just get it over with then I can go have a Starbucks:) I'm loaded with stress until I'm through the cp. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 19322471)
Tsa does not make us feel "safe"; it makes us feel violated.
Your description of the "Intel" proves that you are being conditioned to see each passenger as a threat unless proven otherwise. How can you in good conscience work for such an employer? |
Gosh, please stop it.
The whole faux innocence is tired. Gosh gee golly whiz. So picket fency. I so don't buy it. |
Originally Posted by littlesheep
(Post 19323039)
Gosh, please stop it.
The whole faux innocence is tired. Gosh gee golly whiz. So picket fency. I so don't buy it. |
Originally Posted by myrgirl
(Post 19321661)
<snip> As a TSO I see the need to screen devices; I read intel briefings and I read the news and I understand the need to screen something such as a colostomy bag because it could be faked and such. As a human being, I also see the need for privacy and discretion as well as the need for compassion and humanity. How does a TSO such as myself reconcile the two?
I submit to you the Congressional testimony of Fred Cate: We have spent more than $2 billion installing a technology to identify “anomalies” that we cannot practically evaluate for the risk they pose. It was this inability to clear many of the false positives identified by AITs that led to the TSA’s disastrous policy begun last October of intimate, intrusive searches. The problem is that despite their intimacy, the searches did nothing to help the agent determine whether the “anomaly” was a real risk or just another false positive. Also, I am no good at hiding my emotions so I've had many a tearful breakdown at the checkpoint, but I also have spoken with dozens of others who admitted they cried only after the violation and not during. Whether you saw them or not, you have certainly caused many tears and many hours of emotional anguish and sleeplessness with your pointless invasions of people's privacy.This is especially clear in the case of people with medical devices or prosthetics. As a diabetic on an insulin pump—a device the size of a pager strapped to my waist that provides life-sustaining insulin—under the TSA’s October policy, an agent would search me head to toe, including a careful pat-down of my genitals—as if somehow my genitals have become suspicious because I use an insulin pump. At the end of the search, however, the agent has no better idea than he did at the beginning whether the pump is loaded with insulin or high-tech explosives. After two months of this policy, the TSA shifted ground and determined that insulin pumps would not require a full body search, but instead would be swabbed and the swab tested for explosive residue. A colleague of mine who works for the federal government and is also a diabetic described the indignity of recently having a TSA agent at Dulles International Airport reach inside her underwear with the swab. To what end? Are insulin pump users more likely than other travelers to secret explosives on their bodies? And what happened to the much-vaunted AIT machines that were supposed to detect the presence of such explosives? Why are we now swabbing inside travelers’ underwear as well as using AITs to peer inside, especially when there is no sign of any “anomaly” from either technique? I have found it easier and far less intrusive to simply remove my insulin pump before being required to undergo AIT screening. (I don’t remove it before passing through a metal detector because it doesn’t trigger any alarm.) I am fortunate to have this option; most travelers with medical devices or prosthetics aren’t so lucky. But I am still left with the tiny plastic cannula in my abdomen to which the pump connects. The AIT sometimes—interestingly, not consistently—identifies this as an “anomaly.” When it does, a TSA agent pats me down, feels the sensor, and says “what is this?” I say “an insulin cannula” and the agent invariably politely waives me through. The agent has no idea, no verification, and no certainty what is actually taped to my stomach. I am “cleared” not because the agent has determined that the plastic tube poses no danger, but because there is no way a TSA agent can make any further determination. Many travelers suffer far greater indignities due to physical searches, triggered by AIT “anomaly” detection, that reveal nothing about whether the “anomaly” poses a threat. For example, after agents finish inspecting the breasts of a woman with an implant, they have no better idea whether the implant is filled with liquid explosives or silicone. The same is true with prosthetic limbs, urostomy bags, and most other medical appliances. This type of response to having the AIT identify something as an “anomaly” is the very definition of “security theater”—it looks like the agency is doing something, but it accomplishes nothing. The same is true with many, perhaps most, of the searches that are triggered by AIT “anomalies.” A rational person might question whether it is worth the money we are spending to identify “anomalies” if the vast majority of them (indeed, perhaps all of them) are false positives, and we lack the practical ability to follow up on many of them in any event. This is the height of ineffectiveness. In an earlier post on this thread, I mentioned this trove of letters, which are excerpted here. Please read them to discover how it feels to be on the other side of the checkpoint. |
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Originally Posted by myrgirl
(Post 19322473)
I like this. I've always been a proponent of the combo WTMD/Bulk Item Patdown. Sure, it causes a few skirt wearers and baggy shorts wearers annoyance but overall, I liked it. And I really miss the hand-wand.
Your responses frankly sound to me either naive, disingenuous, or frightening. I have to agree with littlesheep. While I understand loyalty to an employer, I also strongly believe in the need for critical thinking and not blindly following orders. |
Originally Posted by littlesheep
(Post 19323039)
Gosh, please stop it.
The whole faux innocence is tired. Gosh gee golly whiz. So picket fency. I so don't buy it. |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 19324045)
It can be a bit difficult for non-southerners to pick up on, but bless your heart anyway. ;)
Or would you be forgiving towards a dentist saying: gee, golly whiz, ah sure am sorry I touched y'all in them genitals, I sure feel mighty bad bout it, y'all hear me now? I jes had to make shur y'all y'all dint have no bombs there, hon. [Groping your breasts] as he says this. |
Originally Posted by littlesheep
(Post 19325008)
Someone who's been working for 8 years for the TSA ...
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myrgirl:
I hope you will keep on posting. Most of the tso's have been driven off & I don't post here like I use to . If I ever make it over your way coffee or prehaps a meal on me:) |
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 19325139)
Most of the tso's have been driven off
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The first step to change is admitting the truth. No amount of sweet talkin' or sugar coating will do. This thread is about the psychological suffering of passengers, mostly female, perhaps, so let's get back on topic.
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Nevermind...
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Originally Posted by myrgirl
(Post 19322872)
...any one of us may do a full pat down only once or twice in a a week. Thank goodness. If my job was consistent solely with "feeling people up" it would be horrible...
I second InkUnderNails' very thoughtful and well worded answers previously. I for one am about at the end of my patience with TSOs' procedures. TSA already keeps my family from flying any more; I fly because of work and to feed my family. But it's getting harder each flight to endure this nonsense. |
Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 19311306)
People are over medicated as it is.
The only way to handle a panic attack is to get rid of what causes it. What was the purpose of the OP? To complain about TSA-induced panick attacks. OK. What was OP trying to achieve? Another TSA-bashing "discussion" or a practical advice? We all know very well that the TSA is not going anywhere in the nearest future. As a doctor, the OP should have known that if an underlying cause cannot be eliminated, then the disease can still be managed effectively - in this case not involving medications. |
Originally Posted by König
(Post 19332123)
What was OP trying to achieve? Another TSA-bashing "discussion" or a practical advice? We all know very well that the TSA is not going anywhere in the nearest future. As a doctor, the OP should have known that if an underlying cause cannot be eliminated, then the disease can still be managed effectively - in this case not involving medications.
For this situation I would recommend in general, depending on the person of course, and this is not medical advice blah blah blah...prn benzos. No therapy will suffice, IMO. But when fear is strong enough, even they won't 'hold' the anxiety. Fear. It's fear, more than anxiety. Better term. Reality based fear. I don't agree that treating the symptoms is enough. I don't accept the TSA assault as an act of God that cannot be changed by man. And there is something very wrong about needing to numb yourself so you can withstand sexual assault. Something very wrong. |
Littlesheep, you are absolutely not alone with this problem. In fact, there is another post at tsanewsblog with another long list of quotes from travelers who feel just the way you and I do about being manhandled by strangers in blue shirts.
Here's how one letter writer felt: "It was one of the worst experiences of my life. I never want to be subjected to this kind of physical, mental, and emotional abuse again, especially anywhere in the United States of America." I will second that - being sexually assaulted by the TSA is the worst thing I have ever experienced in my life. I've thought carefully about that statement, and yes, it's true. No other experience ever left me feeling so powerless and so degraded and so hopeless for so long. Even being grabbed and sexually fondled by a criminal in the street a few years ago was less traumatic - because when someone attacked me in the street, I called the police and they agreed that I had been assaulted and came to my aid. And now I would never walk down that street at night again. But I have to keep walking back into airports, like the proverbial battered woman who walks right back into the situation that got her beaten up before. When I was attacked in the street, the authorities and my family were extremely concerned for my safety. In contrast, being abused by the TSA has just seemed to make me the punchline in everyone's funny joke. The TSA raped me, and then sent me a letter on official stationery telling me the search was conducted properly, and now Konig's on here telling me I should just take some pills and learn to enjoy having my genitals violated? No. This is absolutely not okay. I will never ever try to adapt myself to a world where the government forcibly fondles and passes judgement on my sex organs. “Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.” |
Originally Posted by mybodyismyown
(Post 19333965)
...being abused by the TSA has just seemed to make me the punchline in everyone's funny joke. |
Originally Posted by mybodyismyown
(Post 19323258)
The fact is that none of your procedures can determine whether a colostomy bag has been faked. The swab you performed is self-evidently ineffective because there is still no means to determine whether a medical device is or contains a weapon. You have caused this passenger and countless others real harm, and none of your actions has any security value. There is only the harm you have caused - there is no benefit.
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Originally Posted by mybodyismyown
(Post 19333965)
The TSA raped me, and then sent me a letter on official stationery telling me the search was conducted properly, and now Konig's on here telling me I should just take some pills and learn to enjoy having my genitals violated? No. This is absolutely not okay.
I dislike the TSA too, but I need to fly and I cannot afford being late for the flights. So, if the WTMD is not available, I have to go through pat-down or even nude-o-scopes (in case I am running late). I cannot afford not to because I need to keep my job and put bread on the table for my family. And no, like I said before, I was not suggesting meds. Behavioural modification method should be tried first. What is up with so many people assuming meds when I said treatment? In psychology, meds are not the first choice. |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 19321843)
You seem very cavalier and accepting of the practices of your employer. Again, if you cannot see why any of this is wrong, we cannot explain it to you.
You are in a position of power and authority, and took someone into a private room and then embraced them. There are a number of things that could be said about it, but it was frankly incredibly foolish on your part. I suggest that you don't do such a thing again if you don't want to put yourself in jeopardy. You can try and spin it that you are a warm and caring person, but it doesn't change the fact that it was completely inappropriate. You can't have it both ways! Do you want the TSA to hire robots or human beings? Which is it? :rolleyes: |
It doesn't have to be either extreme. Expressing empathy may be appropriate, but a TSO putting arms around someone and hugging them is not.
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Originally Posted by KDS
(Post 19330829)
But I, as a person who files over 150 times per year, must endure a patdown at least twice or more often EVERY WEEK. If you hate doing it once a week, please think about us who go through it multiple times per week, EVERY WEEK.
Plus, if you're hurting other people, feeling disgusted by your actions but continuing to do them is immoral. And - if your next door neighbour turned out to be a child molestor, would it help if he was nice and smiled and comforted the child after he molested them? What a bizarre notion! When you realize you've done something wrong to another human being, you stop doing it. You can't 'feel bad' and pity yourself and expect other people to comfort you. It's twisted. I see through this stuff, sorry. |
I've been thinking about my incident very carefully. I don't believe I was over-reacting. I do believe what happened to me was not a pat-down. It was an assault. it was done by a poorly trained, possibly malicious, TSA person.
it was totally inappropriate and shouldn't have happened. I was compliant. I was respectful. I will not take drugs to just get pass security. But I will continue to write my elected public officials. I will do what's in my power to make changes in the "protocols" of an agency that has loss all sense of its purpose. This is what I can do. |
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