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Old Aug 29, 12, 10:55 pm
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Don't let you go through the body scanner. Just stay away from there. You have keep avoided the BKSX. Just go through the metal detector. You don't want to get into trouble from TSA. You have put the diaper in the carry on bag instead of going to put in the diapers. Because the backscatter machine is too dangerous. Once you clear at TSA checkpoint. Just go straight to the restroom and put the diapers in but, not in TSA checkpoint.
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Old Aug 30, 12, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by Kevin AA View Post
Wow, it really is as bad as I feared.
Please keep in mind that the people in this forum delight in pointing out how bad things can get. There's no question that what's described might happen, but it's also almost certainly the case that thousands of people fly each day with adult diapers and don't have a problem. I think the best answer is: "Are you likely to have a problem? No. Can you do anything to guarantee that you won't have a problem? Also no.".
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Old Aug 30, 12, 9:08 am
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What happens if I wear an adult diaper in the human X-ray/nudeoscope?

Depends...
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Old Aug 30, 12, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner View Post
Please keep in mind that the people in this forum delight in pointing out how bad things can get. There's no question that what's described might happen, but it's also almost certainly the case that thousands of people fly each day with adult diapers and don't have a problem. I think the best answer is: "Are you likely to have a problem? No. Can you do anything to guarantee that you won't have a problem? Also no.".


It has nothing to do with 'delight' but rather making people aware of what may well happen, based on past results.

It's clear from past messages that you have a very different level of comfort than most people with your body. What people are protesting however is the fact that they have no choice in displaying their body. People need to be aware of what could well happen, either positive or negative, so that they can prepare in advance and make a choice.

The apathy and lack of interest amongst the American people astounds me. What I often read here is 'if it didn't happen to me, it didn't happen', or 'you must have done something wrong/bad to warrant that' or 'just change your behaviours and acquiesce; it's easier than standing up for your rights'. This thread is just one example; despite numerous women stating their experiences, we are told to change our style of dress, that we must have done something 'bad' to have those results, or that we are embellishing (even when TSOs are quoted in support of us!) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/women...ecurity-3.html

When it comes to situations like this, the best advice is to hope for the best, but to plan for the worst. I don't agree with Kevin's latest choice, but I can also understand that he may not want to be known amongst friends, family, coworkers, or even the entire world as the 'guy who pooped his pants and was strip searched by TSA'. Not everyone wants to highlight their experiences, nor should they be forced to do so.

In past here I posted many links to various other fora where people with medical conditions shared their experiences, and many were indeed invasive and humiliating. Those people didn't go to the media; they chose to share amongst a like group of posters to make them aware of what may occur. I haven't checked for posts like that in a long time but suspect that I could easily find a new batch with just a few minutes of searching the internet.
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Old Aug 30, 12, 11:53 am
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It's clear from past messages that you have a very different level of comfort than most people with your body.
I'm not sure what I posted that would make you say that, but as has been posted here a number of times, there's a difference between somebody chosing to expose their body in some way vs being forced to (e.g., a few years, ago the manager of a nudist resort was quoted in a newspaper as being against the scanners for just that reason).

When it comes to situations like this, the best advice is to hope for the best, but to plan for the worst.
I agree with that, which is basically what I was saying. I do think, however, that the chances of "the worst" are far lower, perhaps two orders of magnitude lower, than one might deduce from the responses on this thread.
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Old Aug 30, 12, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner View Post
I'm not sure what I posted that would make you say that, but as has been posted here a number of times, there's a difference between somebody chosing to expose their body in some way vs being forced to (e.g., a few years, ago the manager of a nudist resort was quoted in a newspaper as being against the scanners for just that reason).
In case you don't recall, it was via unsolicited communication. I won't post the contents here of course.

That is exactly my point; while some people are comfortable with exposing their bodies, it is in a situation where they have choice. FKK was used as a method of public protest in my country, but it doesn't mean that forcing people to expose themselves is acceptable in any country. I've posted that many times here.

Your use of 'delight' negates much of what was posted on this thread. I don't consider the majority of responders on page 1 of the thread to be hysterical or alarmist posters. I do know that several of us have travelled with people in similar situations, or have encountered such situations ourselves, and are posting based on those experiences. If the relatively small population here has had negative experiences, it stands to reason that others have as well. Not everyone however will post about it on the internet, and far fewer would go to the media.
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Old Aug 30, 12, 4:35 pm
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I just wanted to say I sympathize with you and can't believe in America we actually have to have discussions like this. I hope you can find a metal detector lane. Did you check tsastatus.net?

Not too long ago I had to travel for a major operation and seriously debated laying down in the back of my mom's SUV for 15 hours instead of flying. We ended up renting a car and driving an extra two hours to get to a different airport to avoid the body scanners bc I didn't want to risk a rubdown after my surgery.

I was more worried about the TSA than my surgery. Something is definitely wrong here. I hope they keep their disgusting hands off you. Good luck.
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Old Sep 1, 12, 2:00 am
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Here's an example of an experienced traveller who did her research and spoke to various people within TSA, but still things went very wrong:

I made several phone calls to TSA and the airlines on what could be done to ensure a smooth trip, unlike so many other trips we had taken.

Lily’s condition presented several issues for flying. She is on a special diet and can only drink one type of milk not available in the concourse. She wears ankle braces and has trouble getting in and out of the stroller. I came prepared with doctors’ notes, names of people who I talked to etc… The phone calls were useless. I had to argue to keep her milk and snacks. They would not allow her to keep her braces on, requiring us to remove her shoes, socks braces, and refused to allow her to sit in her stroller. Mind you, during the beginning of the trip, she could not stand or walk without pain. After crying my way through TSA, I found an incredibly helpful TSA agent. I was told that I need to ask for a supervisor and have them wand my child and the stroller. I was told that before, tried it, and it didn’t work. I was told to say that she cannot get out of her stroller, take her braces off and needs to be wanded, no exception.
http://www.familytrek.org/5-tips-for...al-needs-kids/

And a similar story from someone else with JRA http://arthritisdiary.blogspot.ca/20...ay-on.html?m=1

Planning ahead doesn't always work.
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Old Sep 1, 12, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by exbayern View Post
Planning ahead doesn't always work.
No, but the "wanded" in the story dates it as quite old. And, as has been said here many times, doctor's notes are useless because there's no way to verify them at the checkpoint.
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Old Sep 1, 12, 10:59 am
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Not too long ago, TSA allegedly came out with a phone number you can call (must be ahead of time, 24-48 hours, I believe) to arrange assistance at the checkpoint in the event of medical/handicap difficulties. I believe the individual that is supposed to meet you and escort you through the process is a CSM.

I'm not sure why they can't be summoned from the checkpoint, by the pax or the TSO, but supposedly they are available if you give them advance notice. I suspect the 'advance notice' requirement gives them enough time to run a background check on you.
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Old Sep 2, 12, 3:47 am
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Chances of you experiencing a problem are very slim. I've flown through several airports in the last few months and only Las Vegas even had the scanners, not San Francisco, not La Guardia, not DFW. Both my friend and I wear thick disposable diapers and went through the scanners in Vegas with no questions asked. I don't know if the diapers were wet at the time or not, but if they are wet, that's the only way they would probably even show up at all. If they're dry, they'd be like any other clothing and that clearly doesn't show anyway. It didn't seem to me that they were even looking at the display when I went through, I think the machine is supposed to signal if it finds something worth reviewing. One time, the machine went into calibration mode, so we were simply redirected to the metal detectors without skipping a beat. Had I opted out, that would have probably led to the "enhanced pat down" but as luck had it that time, I was just ushered through the metal detector. Which only goes to show that it's all security theater anyway.

What happened to that woman's mother was bad, but there was more to the situation than the diaper. She was in a wheelchair, and something about the wheelchair set off an alert, so that led to needing more screening, and supposedly they only suggested that the diaper was in need of changing, not that it had to be removed for search purposes. I wasn't there, but after reading many articles on the incident, that was the take away.

Seriously though, don't worry about it, and it won't be an issue. If you bring it up, the person may not know the answer and might give you incorrect information or have to go find a superior to ask, or subject you to additional screening you wouldn't have otherwise been subjected to. My friend lost his wallet on the way to the airport in San Francisco, and the guy checking IDs insisted that it's impossible to fly without an ID, which isn't true. You can be subject to additional screening, but an ID is not required. That was a case where he had to wait for a superior, but got through no problem. Flying sucks these days, but go with the flow and you'll get through it.
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Old Sep 2, 12, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by mcr2582 View Post
Chances of you experiencing a problem are very slim. I've flown through several airports in the last few months and only Las Vegas even had the scanners, not San Francisco, not La Guardia, not DFW. Both my friend and I wear thick disposable diapers and went through the scanners in Vegas with no questions asked. I don't know if the diapers were wet at the time or not, but if they are wet, that's the only way they would probably even show up at all. If they're dry, they'd be like any other clothing and that clearly doesn't show anyway. It didn't seem to me that they were even looking at the display when I went through, I think the machine is supposed to signal if it finds something worth reviewing. One time, the machine went into calibration mode, so we were simply redirected to the metal detectors without skipping a beat. Had I opted out, that would have probably led to the "enhanced pat down" but as luck had it that time, I was just ushered through the metal detector. Which only goes to show that it's all security theater anyway.

What happened to that woman's mother was bad, but there was more to the situation than the diaper. She was in a wheelchair, and something about the wheelchair set off an alert, so that led to needing more screening, and supposedly they only suggested that the diaper was in need of changing, not that it had to be removed for search purposes. I wasn't there, but after reading many articles on the incident, that was the take away.

Seriously though, don't worry about it, and it won't be an issue. If you bring it up, the person may not know the answer and might give you incorrect information or have to go find a superior to ask, or subject you to additional screening you wouldn't have otherwise been subjected to. My friend lost his wallet on the way to the airport in San Francisco, and the guy checking IDs insisted that it's impossible to fly without an ID, which isn't true. You can be subject to additional screening, but an ID is not required. That was a case where he had to wait for a superior, but got through no problem. Flying sucks these days, but go with the flow and you'll get through it.
Your information is out-of-date. DFW, LGA and SFO all have NoS, some more than others. You may be uncannily lucky at choosing the best checkpoints.

Your version of what happened with the elderly woman who was told to remove her diaper is new to me. Do you have a cite?
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Old Sep 2, 12, 11:36 am
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Flying sucks these days, but go with the flow and you'll get through it.
1) Flying doesn't suck in 'rest of world'

2) How to you explain those of us who 'go with the flow' and still have issues, over and over again? We don't do anything to 'deserve' the responses we have received.

I don't know how often you fly, but telling something that there won't be an issue isn't fair or accurate. They may have an incident-free flight, or they may experiences things which others have experienced many times in past.

And chollie addressed the rest whilst I was posting, so I won't repeat what was already said.

Your comments about 'just like other clothing' which 'clearly doesn't show' is also inaccurate. There are many false alerts from the scanners. The German tests were openly reported to our public and they shows alerts from folds of clothing, layers of clothing, pleats, sweat stains, etc. I suspect that OP is trying to avoid a situation where almost anything can cause an alarm, and the required physical check which may occur.
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Old Sep 2, 12, 12:27 pm
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Curious that we are told to remove outerwear because the scanner can't 'penetrate' and provide a clear image. That has nothing to do with whether or not my thin nylon windbreaker is wet or not.

Yet mcr2582 and her friend both wore 'thick' diapers that the scanner apparently had no problem penetrating. ??? Really?
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Old Sep 2, 12, 8:23 pm
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As it turns out, at MSN in the middle of the day when only one security checkpoint is open, you have to walk through the NoS.

I fasted for 24 hours the day before my flight (though I did cheat and ate 5 saltines and 3 rice cakes ). I drank a small cup of coffee in the morning and a small cup of coffee in the evening. Trying to go without caffeine is harder than going without nicotine!

I also drank 2.5 liters of water. It felt kinda nice to be "empty". I may do that again for health reasons.

Anyway, in the morning of the flight, I just put on my boxer briefs and had no need to go #2 at all (I skipped the enema btw, not necessary). Just a very light colored #1.

What I found interesting is that this was the first time I have ever walked through a NoS with no pat-down afterwards. Granted, I don't fly very often and I usually get a metal detector, but I have been through a NoS several times, and it was like they had some kind of rule that you have pat people down anyway. wth? A tanktop and shorts and socks with nothing in the pockets? I think the thug had a back fetish, because my traveling buddy got the back "massage" as well.

So, in summary, fasting went well, it eliminated the problem at the NoS (not the best way to solve this problem, but it worked), and the people who work in MSN are nice people. Despite the fact that the TSA rules are supposed to be exactly the same nationwide, nice places like Wisconsin have nice TSA workers, and crummy places like NJ have nasty TSA workers.
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