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Houston.Business Apr 27, 2012 8:37 am

Scanner-Proof Clothing
 

Originally Posted by Adriannn (Post 18470336)
Do these actually work? Do a google search for scanner shirts.

Apparently they use special ink which obscures private areas. Does this ink set off the WTMD?

Thank you.

Think this through. If these clothes actually work, do you think they'll let you through? They're groping children, and the elderly without special clothing. A shirt is not going to save you.

ryandelmundo Apr 27, 2012 12:44 pm

We should all wear this type of clothing. Protect our rights against unreasonable search and seizures. Airport security doesn't make us safer, just more paranoid.

Houston.Business Apr 27, 2012 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by ryandelmundo (Post 18472032)
We should all wear this type of clothing. Protect our rights against unreasonable search and seizures. Airport security doesn't make us safer, just more paranoid.

This is EXCATLY the problem! Everyone should *not* be wearing this type of clothing.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE OPTING-OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FliesWay2Much Apr 27, 2012 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by Houston.Business (Post 18472377)
This is EXCATLY the problem! Everyone should *not* be wearing this type of clothing.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE OPTING-OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly! I've seen just the opposite: Cancer Box clothing in which lettering shows up on the shirt for the clerk to read in the booth. There are Fourth Amendment shirts and others which tell the TSA exactly what you feel about them and encouraging them to try certain activities on themselves.

Regardless, neither is a good reason to voluntarily go through one of these machines, regardless of imaging technology.

ryandelmundo Apr 27, 2012 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by Houston.Business (Post 18472377)
This is EXCATLY the problem! Everyone should *not* be wearing this type of clothing.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE OPTING-OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I always opt-out! I hate the "freeze you're under arrest" pose.

TheGolfWidow Apr 27, 2012 5:49 pm

What sort of problem is going to be presented when someone decides to produce clothing that projects an image that looks identical to a clean scan, regardless of what is beneath the clothing?

PS: Although I opt out, I completely respect the right of others to personally find the girl-grope (or guy-grope) more egregious than the noody scan.

Bungnoid Apr 27, 2012 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by TheGolfWidow (Post 18473563)
What sort of problem is going to be presented when someone decides to produce clothing that projects an image that looks identical to a clean scan, regardless of what is beneath the clothing?

Well, unless the clothing conformed to one's contours--all of them--so closely as to be like a second skin, then how could it simulate a "clean scan"? To do that presumably would require an image showing ALL of the normal human anatomy in its detail--whether for inspection by the TSO in the case of backscatter, or by the ATR algorithm in the case of MMW.

Your question raises an interesting philosophical point: would it be less objectionable to be viewed pseudo-naked, with some sort of artificial genitalia, buttocks, breasts, etc. (rubberized into the clothing?) compared with letting the scanner see the real stuff?

TheGolfWidow Apr 27, 2012 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by Bungnoid (Post 18473949)
Well, unless the clothing conformed to one's contours--all of them--so closely as to be like a second skin, then how could it simulate a "clean scan"?

I don't know, I'm not an inventor. I'm just a person who raises interesting philosophical points. :D

Pesky Monkey Apr 27, 2012 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by Bungnoid (Post 18473949)
Well, unless the clothing conformed to one's contours--all of them--so closely as to be like a second skin, then how could it simulate a "clean scan"? To do that presumably would require an image showing ALL of the normal human anatomy in its detail--whether for inspection by the TSO in the case of backscatter, or by the AIT algorithm in the case of MMW.

Your question raises an interesting philosophical point: would it be less objectionable to be viewed pseudo-naked, with some sort of artificial genitalia, buttocks, breasts, etc. (rubberized into the clothing?) compared with letting the scanner see the real stuff?

The scanners with atr only look for sharp changes in shape. The weakness is that something that smoothly conforms to the side of a person's body will not be detected They have no capacity to detect density. It's not a secret. This is the reason the rest of the world has rejected these useless machines.

DAL4550 Apr 28, 2012 1:40 am


Originally Posted by Houston.Business (Post 18472377)
This is EXCATLY the problem! Everyone should *not* be wearing this type of clothing.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE OPTING-OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly. If everyone opted out there would be no use for the scanners I always find that when I opt out I have several other passengers join me. If everyone here opted out, and I do not assume you fly as much as I do, It would impact the system. To those who say that we impede the checkpoint? Well too bad. As an American, I find these security measures obscene. As an American I expect better. Truly, I feel that my country has betrayed me.

nachtnebel Apr 28, 2012 9:29 am


Originally Posted by DAL4550 (Post 18474972)
... As an American, I find these security measures obscene. As an American I expect better. Truly, I feel that my country has betrayed me.

A government that does this to its own people has declared war on them. They bypassed the normal public input phase of their strip search and groping programme because they knew we'd reject it and they were going to impose it anyway by sheer force. They continue with it knowing the extent and depth of rejection of it from those who have to travel by air. Government by force and violence, not by consent and representation.


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