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Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 18254848)
I curse the zealousness of the TSA. Every time they pat down a child, an elderly person with a cane, a cancer survivor or war veteran with a prosthesis, they spit on the graves of the hundreds of thousands - or is it millions - of Americans who have sacrificed their lives over the last 200 years to defend American freedoms. And I am astonished at the shortsighted lack of memory on the part of various paranoid nincompoops who are willing to turn this country into a new version of Nazi Germany or the Communist Soviet Union out of cowardice and fear.
Thank heaven we have a few people in this country who still remember that we have a Constitution and why it was adopted. Thank heaven that at least a few people in this country still remember that it is freedom, not "safety" or "security", that made the United States the greatest country on Earth at one time, and can do so again. Thank heaven there are still a few people who remember that 9/11 didn't change a damn thing - WE changed it, when we gave in, wholesale, to the fear that the perpetrators of 9/11 instilled in us as a nation. But if we can find our spines in time, perhaps we can change it back. |
That was my comment he referenced, about ending the shoe carnival, liquid bans and AIT.
I feel honored :) |
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 18294915)
That was my comment he referenced, about ending the shoe carnival, liquid bans and AIT.
I feel honored :) |
Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 18295030)
Does that mean that Frommer's can now officially list you in their bibliographies as an informational source, Saul? :D
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I trust that the overwhelming percentage of our readers are grateful for the conscientious performance of their work by the TSA. |
My feelings are the same from a few years ago when we discussed Frommer... :rolleyes:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...-scanners.html Frommers 'advice' is outdated and ineffective, and sometimes completely wrong. Placing a popular tourist destination 100km in the wrong spot is quite a serious error for a leisure travel company. (Frommers also advocates dressing up to get an upgrade but many people listen to his advice/the advice of his website. And according to Frommers, I have been living 100km distance from where I should have been) And then we have this thread, where the author of an article from Frommers uses outdated and misleading information. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-airports.html Unfortunately, while Frommers is outdated/misinformed/inaccurate, there are many many people (lacking critical thinking skills) who believe what they produce, and take it to heart, just as they will believe and support what he writes about the scanners. |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 18296146)
My feelings are the same from a few years ago when we discussed Frommer... :rolleyes:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...-scanners.html And now, two years later, with the widespread deployment of AIT -- Because I have a hip replacement, and thus have metal in my body, I set off the alarm every time I pass through Security at an airport. I am thus patted down on every single visit to an airport, and in both directions. And because I travel by air much more frequently than most normal Americans, I have been patted down on nearly four hundred occasions over the past ten years. |
Ah, but you sir are unusual.
You have critical thinking skills and were able to expose that contradictory message. Many people (including FTers on those threads I linked) lack those skills, and think that just because he is a well-known name in the travel world, he must be right. Looking back at what I linked, I recognise at least one or two posters who support both Frommer and the scanners. (And if Arthur is patted down on every single visit to an airport, then he isn't flying outside the US anymore) |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 18296461)
Ah, but you sir are unusual.
You have critical thinking skills and were able to expose that contradictory message. Many people (including FTers on those threads I linked) lack those skills, and think that just because he is a well-known name in the travel world, he must be right. Looking back at what I linked, I recognise at least one or two posters who support both Frommer and the scanners. (And if Arthur is patted down on every single visit to an airport, then he isn't flying outside the US anymore) |
My opinion of anyone goes down somewhat if I discover that they're in the AFS crowd. I try to be objective and tolerant, but when I hear someone advocating the erosion and violation of everyone else's Constitutional rights because they are scared of terr'ists, it just makes my blood boil.
I don't own any Frommers travel guides, but I had always thought of them as being reputable and accurate, within the limitations of a printed book, which can't keep up with recent changes as quickly as the web. Then I read this thread, and now I won't be recommending Frommers to anyone I know any time soon, partly because of the reports of inaccuracy, and partly because Arthur Frommer is an AFS advocate.
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 18296520)
Now that I think about it some more, would a metal hip implant trigger AIT? I thought AIT could not see inside the body.
But you're right, at least about MMW. I have seen some test images from BSX systems on the net where the x-rays actually penetrate the thinner parts of the extremeties and show hand, arm, foot, and leg bones. |
Interesting...
Christopher Elliott's piece about Corbett's end run around the scanner just posted on Frommers. As this article has already appeared in other places, I wonder if Frommer was trying to get control of the discussion before the Elliott article went up. http://www.frommers.com/deals/airfar...articleID=7649 Maybe, I'm just paranoid. |
Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 18301760)
I don't own any Frommers travel guides, but I had always thought of them as being reputable and accurate, within the limitations of a printed book, which can't keep up with recent changes as quickly as the web. Then I read this thread, and now I won't be recommending Frommers to anyone I know any time soon, partly because of the reports of inaccuracy, and partly because Arthur Frommer is an AFS advocate.
The threads which I linked to various threads here on FT reinforced my suspicions. Like you, I never had an issue with Frommers (but never used them). It was when he spoke up, and when I stumbled across the article with outdated information that I decided that I would never recommend them either. |
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 18296520)
Now that I think about it some more, would a metal hip implant trigger AIT? I thought AIT could not see inside the body.
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Originally Posted by Pesky Monkey
(Post 18306375)
It doesn't alarm on the implant. It alarms on pocket lint, sweat, pockets themselves, pleats, etc.
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Frommer can kiss my a$$!
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