TSO Arrested for Dealing Heroin in School Zone
#46
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I suspect few go to a checkpoint actually looking to be rude or wanting a confrontation. The point is what to do when the inevitable sometimes happens. Cave or push back ? Your call; and everyone else's too.
For me, tolerance and forbearance yes, I'm afraid I can't seem to manage respect.
#47
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We weren't subjected to random crotch and butt invasions then either. Joy in someone's self-inflicted misfortune aside, there is mounting evidence that the TSA workforce has significant numbers of untrustworthy members.
#48
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Calling the TSA clerks on what they are doing in their reprehensible full body searches, involving forced, \unwanted, under duress contact with genitals, buttocks, breasts, without cause, at random even after the person successfully goes through AIT, calling them on this is not against any Golden Rule. Calling them on it to get this to stop is required, period. The Golden Rule does not apply to legitimate efforts to stop harmful criminal behavior.
#49
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I remember when the whole DSK thing was going on and people watching in Europe were shocked and appallled that he was shown on TV in handcuffs even though he hadn't been convicted.
Bottom line: On this side of the pond, publishing a mugshot and doing a perp walk are just part of the criminal justice scene. There is nothing malicious about linking the mugshot either-- it is just considered part of the news story.
Last edited by Ari; Mar 21, 2012 at 9:55 am Reason: Remove somewhat gratuitous personal commentary.
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Plus TSA marches out all that malarky about "Highly Trained Professionals" and BDO "Voodoo", yet they didnt see or catch this... it just goes to prove its all for show and lies.
#51
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I still don't see a valid reason for posting the mugshot on this site. There is nothing gained from adding the mugshot here that cannot be read through the newspaper article.
My cultural background has nothing to do with it. i realise mugshots are published in the States. What purpose it serves on FT i don't know.
#52
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On the other hand, if we treat TSOs with dignity and respect, maybe --- just maybe --- they might start treating us with dignity and respect in return. And maybe, then, some of them might start fighting on behalf of passengers inside of the TSA, where they might actually do some good.
And, yes, there are limits to that respect. But TSA could do much more than it does now.
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves the world blind and toothless. --Gandhi
#53
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The SOP does not allow them to do that even if they wanted to.
I suspect few go to a checkpoint actually looking to be rude or wanting a confrontation. The point is what to do when the inevitable sometimes happens. Cave or push back ? Your call; and everyone else's too.
For me, tolerance and forbearance yes, I'm afraid I can't seem to manage respect.
I suspect few go to a checkpoint actually looking to be rude or wanting a confrontation. The point is what to do when the inevitable sometimes happens. Cave or push back ? Your call; and everyone else's too.
For me, tolerance and forbearance yes, I'm afraid I can't seem to manage respect.
#54
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An interesting tidbit: A TSO was arrested in Chicago in uniform (was traveling between work and home-- arrest was unrelated to being a TSO) and the CPD let him take off his uniform shirt and put on a different shirt for his mugshot. I don't know if it was their idea or his.
With respect to her guilt or innocence, most criminal defense attorneys claim their clients are innocent. I personally find it a little hard to believe that she actually did what she is accused of doing, but she'll have her day in court to deal with that. I think she might actually be innocent (not to be confused with being presumed innocent which she is, of course).
Last edited by Ari; Mar 21, 2012 at 9:59 am
#55
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Some things are crimes whether the state recognizes them as such or not, particularly in the case where agents of the state are performing actions. Unwanted, under duress touching of private areas of someone else's body without any cause is criminal. It happens to be to the state's advantage so they conveniently "legalize" a criminal act, but it still retains its inherent nature of being criminal.
#56
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Since domestic travel means my body will be touched intimately and my belongings out of my control, I greatly prefer this be done by screeners who are not under suspicion of any crimes. Their ID is difficult to read and purposely obscured by some, so her picture is the best way of identifying and avoiding her.
In forty+ years of travel before TSA, I never had a single theft. Places I went included famous attractions where theft from tourists is common, as well as distressed areas where my mere presence indicated I had vastly greater resources than most people there. After TSA, I had multiple thefts related solely to their procedures every year until 2011, when I reduced my air travel considerably.