TSA Conducts Car Search at SRQ
http://sarasota.patch.com/articles/t...#video-8830631
http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/local...Wd4scu01w.cspx :eek: If you don't like it, don't drive?? |
"First they came for....."
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What could they do if you refused permission to search the car, and under what grounds?
Is the worst they could do refuse permission to enter the airport, based on a local statute? |
Originally Posted by fwh
(Post 17748621)
If you don't like it, don't drive??
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So, TSOs on this board, what CFR gives the TSA authority to search outside of the checkpoint and the airport sterile area?
What are the boundaries of "airport property"? In the case of SRQ, is there a specific point on the roadways where the authority in charge of maintaining the road changes as you get closer to the airport? What happens if one says the magic words, "I do not consent to a warrantless search of my car"? After all, many drivers heading to the airport may not be passengers at all, but are instead picking up travelers. |
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 17750014)
So, TSOs on this board, what CFR gives the TSA authority to search outside of the checkpoint and the airport sterile area?
What are the boundaries of "airport property"? In the case of SRQ, is there a specific point on the roadways where the authority in charge of maintaining the road changes as you get closer to the airport? What happens if one says the magic words, "I do not consent to a warrantless search of my car"? After all, many drivers heading to the airport may not be passengers at all, but are instead picking up travelers. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...e-arrests.html |
Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 17749203)
Umm.. this was a car at the airport.
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 17749203)
Umm.. this was a car at the airport.
And if this is a joint exercise with local authorities, one still wonders what the source of that authority is. Checkpoints for drunk driving have to adhere to certain guidelines. If it is a CBP-led operation, again, I don't see what role TSA has in being there. Of course, the 'you have presented yourself for screening, anything goes' line has already been moved to airport parking lots in some cases, so the precedent is there. |
Unfortunately (and I sound like a broken record), there is only one way that TSA searches of cars approaching the terminal will be found illegal: A driver refuses to consent to the search, is denied entry to the airport property or is arrested on some bogus charge, and sues DHS.
Until that dedicated and brave driver steps forward, there will be no check on the TSA's creep. |
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 17750207)
Unfortunately (and I sound like a broken record), there is only one way that TSA searches of cars approaching the terminal will be found illegal: A driver refuses to consent to the search, is denied entry to the airport property or is arrested on some bogus charge, and sues DHS.
Until that dedicated and brave driver steps forward, there will be no check on the TSA's creep. Could they have been doing it in conjunction with (by some tenuous means) the LEOs who ordinarily claim search authority at airports as well? |
Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 17749203)
Umm.. this was a car at the airport.
(He tried and I told him to call a cop or go pound sand. He left and I was there shooting photos for another 45 minutes or so and no cop ever arrived.) |
BTW. LAX had/(has?) searches on approach to the terminal, but those are performed by LAX police IIRC. How is that justified?
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 17749203)
Umm.. this was a car at the airport.
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Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot
(Post 17750051)
See the TSA's justification on slide 25 in the link I just posted here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...e-arrests.html From our friends at the TSA: Beyond the Screening Checkpoint: (VIPR) 9/11 Commission Act (Section 1303, codified at 6 U.S.C. § 1112) Augment security. Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams developed to augment security in any mode of transportation. Deployment. TSA has the authority to determine the timing, location, and duration of a VIPR deployment; operational protocols are to be developed with local law enforcement and transportation entities. Unpredictability and Randomness. Flexibility in VIPR activities enables the operations to best meet the needs of each airport. Special Needs Searches. VIPR teams searches are special needs or administrative searches; searches are conducted to ensure traveling public’s safety. Vehicle searches. Occur at or before entry into the secured area and automobile parking facilities within airport perimeters or adjacent to secured facilities |
Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot
(Post 17751443)
Bad link within my previous quote. Fixed.
From our friends at the TSA: :rolleyes: Beyond the Screening Checkpoint: (VIPR) 9/11 Commission Act (Section 1303, codified at 6 U.S.C. § 1112) Augment security. Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams developed to augment security in any mode of transportation. Deployment. TSA has the authority to determine the timing, location, and duration of a VIPR deployment; operational protocols are to be developed with local law enforcement and transportation entities. Unpredictability and Randomness. Flexibility in VIPR activities enables the operations to best meet the needs of each airport. Special Needs Searches. VIPR teams searches are special needs or administrative searches; searches are conducted to ensure traveling public’s safety. Vehicle searches. Occur at or before entry into the secured area and automobile parking facilities within airport perimeters or adjacent to secured facilities If we protest, the sorcerer from his position of new found power glares down at us and says "I have power over you because of the incantation! Submit." Where or what is the talisman to protect us from this? |
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