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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 17652375)
AT DFW I have watched airport employees enter through the employee access doors where all they do is swipe a badge and walk in. I have observed some of these employees entering with 6 2 liter bottles of beverage, one with a small rolling suitcase and others with backpacks and other personal belongings all without any form of screening.
Now things may have changed in the last couple of months but that is how it has been done for the past several years. So it seems to me that airport employees may be subject to random screening but they are not subject to mandatory screening on each entry to the sterile area. |
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 17652422)
I've seen the same at IAH.. The entrance was also used by several FAMs..
The powers that be weren't impressed. |
Originally Posted by Fredd
(Post 17652480)
A pilot made a video of what he viewed as security lapses at SFO.
The powers that be weren't impressed. |
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 17652509)
I remember. Poor guy lost his job, didn't he? :td:
I have no idea of the latest enhancements, but many say that the screening of employees varies from airport to airport e.g. this two-year-old Milwaukee article. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 17652375)
AT DFW I have watched airport employees enter through the employee access doors where all they do is swipe a badge and walk in. I have observed some of these employees entering with 6 2 liter bottles of beverage, one with a small rolling suitcase and others with backpacks and other personal belongings all without any form of screening.
Now things may have changed in the last couple of months but that is how it has been done for the past several years. So it seems to me that airport employees may be subject to random screening but they are not subject to mandatory screening on each entry to the sterile area. |
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 17651978)
We are screened the same as you with maybe one slight exception. Today in PVD they tried to tell me to go to the "nude o scope" I showed my airline id & he just sent me on to the WTMD.
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 17654236)
This is correct, but they are not flying but going to work. What I said was when airline employees fly we are screened like everyone else & so are TSA employees.
Again, what you call a "slight" exception - the ability to demand the WTMD - would be an exception that would quiet a large percentage of complaints about current policies if the passengers could "opt out" in the same way. |
What the disconnect seems to be here is that people think its acceptable for someone to not receive equal screening if they are not flying.
It shouldn't matter. If an area is to be "secure", all people entering need to be subject to the same rules and regulations; no double standards. Again, it wouldn't be out of the question for someone to influence an airport employee or TSA Screener to do something bad. |
Originally Posted by Mega Boris
(Post 17654477)
Again, it wouldn't be out of the question for someone to influence an airport employee or TSA Screener to do something bad.
Just a matter of time before it's something really 'bad' :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Mega Boris
(Post 17654477)
What the disconnect seems to be here is that people think its acceptable for someone to not receive equal screening if they are not flying.
It shouldn't matter. If an area is to be "secure", all people entering need to be subject to the same rules and regulations; no double standards. Again, it wouldn't be out of the question for someone to influence an airport employee or TSA Screener to do something bad. Not too mention, many times, airline/airport employees that travel for free, will enter the airport through their regular work access. I know this was the case at many airports I frequented when I was still working in the industry. As a standby passenger, there are many times you may not make a flight, so traveling employees would go and hang out where they have access to the airline system computers. Whether that be an operations area, break room, baggage area, they could chat with coworkers, check up on seating availability and go to the gate area when things looked good. |
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 17654236)
This is correct, but they are not flying but going to work. What I said was when airline employees fly we are screened like everyone else & so are TSA employees.
Cut the line Not take off shoes Not have to Nude-o-Scope I know I'm missing several other items they do not have to participate in. When they fly out of uniform I know it's a different story, but it's the same person deemed at different levels of risk. Tell me what the difference is? |
"the 9/11 hijackers were trained PILOTS"
Right. Trained on simulators, and skipped the "landing the plane" part of the course. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by sylvia hennesy
(Post 17655474)
"the 9/11 hijackers were trained PILOTS"
Right. Trained on simulators, and skipped the "landing the plane" part of the course. :rolleyes: You might do a bit of research before you post. By most accounts they weren't stellar pilots, but many held licenses, and (presumably) could have gotten jobs in the pre-9/11 era. |
Originally Posted by cardiomd
(Post 17655570)
:rolleyes: Just patently false, Sylvia.
You might do a bit of research before you post. By most accounts they weren't stellar pilots, but many held licenses, and (presumably) could have gotten jobs in the pre-9/11 era. |
Originally Posted by jtodd
(Post 17655139)
Not too mention, many times, airline/airport employees that travel for free, will enter the airport through their regular work access. I know this was the case at many airports I frequented when I was still working in the industry. As a standby passenger, there are many times you may not make a flight, so traveling employees would go and hang out where they have access to the airline system computers. Whether that be an operations area, break room, baggage area, they could chat with coworkers, check up on seating availability and go to the gate area when things looked good.
If one has done it, no doubt there are/were others who have done it & gotten away with it. Therefore, anyone & everyone going to the 'sterile' side must be screened prior to entry regardless of reason. Anything less is nothing but security theater aka the TSA :td::td::td: |
Originally Posted by PBQ
(Post 17652037)
He asked me to state what medial reason before he would give it back. I asked if he was a medical doctor. When he said 'yes' I asked for his supervisor. I had to wait more than 20 minutes in security- luckily I arrived early enough - and sadly observed not a single screening of TSA's.
... To get back on topic, I would agree that if all it takes is the background check, then it would likely be cheaper just to have the TSA perform the background check on everyone and only screen the people that would not be hireable by TSA. That should shorten the list greatly... ;) |
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