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dranz Nov 22, 2011 1:50 pm
I saw four [4] FAMs board (early) at DCA within the past 30 days.

goalie Nov 22, 2011 5:02 pm
Originally Posted by dranz (Post 17499380)
I saw four [4] FAMs board (early) at DCA within the past 30 days.
Imho, flights to/from DCA have always been FAM heavy simply based on the location of the airport

catocony Nov 22, 2011 9:04 pm
Any cops who may be traveling is what I was referring to.

I had a flight about six years ago where I was sitting next to a FAM and he slept for at least 2 hours. I had to wake him up to get out to use the bathroom. So, vigilance wasn't exactly a prime duty I guess.

Bearcat06 Nov 23, 2011 4:39 am
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17501462)
Any cops who may be traveling is what I was referring to.

I had a flight about six years ago where I was sitting next to a FAM and he slept for at least 2 hours. I had to wake him up to get out to use the bathroom. So, vigilance wasn't exactly a prime duty I guess.

How do you know he was a FAM....? As stated...Local/State/Fed Cops fly every day armed.....

When I fly armed, I have no obligation to stay awake. I just can't drink alcohol.....and I have enough miles....I can fly up front... ;)

N1120A Nov 23, 2011 12:17 pm
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17494422)
LEOs don't get free upgrades to first class, carry weapons on planes or anything else. A LEO on a plane is a regular passenger.
Wrong. Cops on planes can travel armed, they are simply subject to certain rules (mostly, no booze).

Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 17494780)
Not true. Plenty of LEO's carry firearms on aircraft, federal, state and local. State and local need to complete a flying armed class and have a need to carry.
Also, "need to carry" is defined very loosely.

Originally Posted by dranz (Post 17499380)
I saw four [4] FAMs board (early) at DCA within the past 30 days.
Did they rob revenue PAX of their F seats?

catocony Nov 23, 2011 7:35 pm
Again, IN FIRST CLASS, how many local cops are traveling armed, in a suit, and board 10 minutes before anyone else in first class?

kevinsac Nov 23, 2011 8:16 pm
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17494422)
LEOs don't get free upgrades to first class, carry weapons on planes or anything else. A LEO on a plane is a regular passenger.
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17496932)
Ok, but they're not sitting in first unless they're paying.

The point of this thread is that, compared to five years ago or so, when I would see a FAM sitting in F about every 8 or 9 trips, I haven't seen one in at least two years. A lot of others have said the same, since "spot the FAM" used to be a minor sport with very frequent flyers who were in F a lot.
wrong...and wrong. SMF is my home airport. Lots of armed prison guards flying out to transport prisoners back that afternoon or evening. They travel mid-con or trans-con several times a week....thus are elite and often sit in front of the curtain when departing SMF. Obviously, when the prisoner is entow, he does not get elite status, so the LEOs also ride in back.

I think I know what you are trying to say, but you've befuddled the message.

Good Guy Nov 23, 2011 11:40 pm
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17506930)
Again, IN FIRST CLASS, how many local cops are traveling armed, in a suit, and board 10 minutes before anyone else in first class?
FAM's are still flying. The reason you and the OP haven't seen as many is because they don't wear suits and they don't board 10 minutes before everyone else. They also don't ONLY fly in first class.

Bearcat06 Nov 24, 2011 12:55 am
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17506930)
Again, IN FIRST CLASS, how many local cops are traveling armed, in a suit, and board 10 minutes before anyone else in first class?
Errr....I do.... I try to fit in when I fly. Out here, I'm in Aloha shirts. Flying out of the Mainland, I wear business wear.... ;)

And FAMs don't board early.... local/state/fed LEOs do......

InkUnderNails Nov 24, 2011 4:32 am
Originally Posted by catocony (Post 17506930)
Again, IN FIRST CLASS, how many local cops are traveling armed, in a suit, and board 10 minutes before anyone else in first class?
On WN, my usual airline, LEO's preboard along with UM's, WN employees riding extra jumpseat, COS, news people with large camera equipment and of course those in wheelchairs or needing assistance in boarding. Other airline rules may be similar.

No first class on WN. The LEO's may or may not wear suits. If traveling armed, LEO's can board early.


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