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tanja Oct 29, 2011 6:42 pm

Respect to TSO workers!
 
Any scanner that can look under your cloths are NUDE SCANNERS.
Some times some people say they are not.
I will say anything that can see through my clothes are nude scanners. Why? Cause they can see under neath my cloths.

Show TSO workers respect?!

Why I show respect to someone that will grope, squesse, shop, talk down to me ! Just because I want to fly ( that I do not like)
.

I have high morals and respect. But not to anybody that would my flying trip like hell.

"You" touch me and YES I will have an attitude and not respect you. I will not work with you at all.

Wimpie Oct 29, 2011 7:29 pm

And thousands of passengers each month are getting the message.

"We're beginning to see pushback, where people are becoming adversaries of the security systems that are put in place to protect them.," said Brian Jenkins, an anti-terrorism expert.

"Now that's a good way to destroy a security system, and we have to address that as an issue," said Jenkins, co-editor of "The Long Shadow of 911: America's response to Terrorism," published by the Rand Corporation think tank.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/te...129146223.html

Exleftseat Oct 30, 2011 9:10 pm


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 17358219)
Any scanner that can look under your cloths are NUDE SCANNERS.
Some times some people say they are not.
I will say anything that can see through my clothes are nude scanners. Why? Cause they can see under neath my cloths.

Show TSO workers respect?!

Why I show respect to someone that will grope, squesse, shop, talk down to me ! Just because I want to fly ( that I do not like)
.

I have high morals and respect. But not to anybody that would my flying trip like hell.

"You" touch me and YES I will have an attitude and not respect you. I will not work with you at all.

^^^

sparkchaser Oct 31, 2011 4:03 am


Originally Posted by tanja (Post 17358219)
Any scanner that can look under your cloths are NUDE SCANNERS.
Some times some people say they are not.
I will say anything that can see through my clothes are nude scanners. Why? Cause they can see under neath my cloths.

Show TSO workers respect?!

Why I show respect to someone that will grope, squesse, shop, talk down to me ! Just because I want to fly ( that I do not like)
.

I have high morals and respect. But not to anybody that would my flying trip like hell.

"You" touch me and YES I will have an attitude and not respect you. I will not work with you at all.

Aye.

MrColdShower Oct 31, 2011 6:05 am


Originally Posted by Wimpie (Post 17358346)
And thousands of passengers each month are getting the message.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/te...129146223.html

I sure hope this is true, but I would feel more confident if I saw some evidence of it when I go to the airport. I hardly ever see anyone opting out.

ladammed Oct 31, 2011 6:22 am

I will respect the [deleted] when they stop violating my right to travel amongst the state unencumbered with unreasonable searches and seizures. They chose this job. They chose to continue working with the TSA after they were told they would have to violate the constitutional rights of their fellow citizens. They chose to treat US citizens as terrorists, despite the citizens taking no affirmative steps, other than walking into an airport, to show that they are a terrorist or even pose a threat. They chose to work for an employer that requires them to touch children in places where only child molesters touch children. They chose to work for an employer that lies about their effectiveness and bullies travelers into submitting to their "authority."

I choose to opt out. I choose to tell the [deleted] that they should be ashamed to call themselves American citizens. I choose to call the [deleted] child molesters. I choose to challenge their lies with statements their fearless leader makes. I chose to refuse to speak my name outloud. I choose to demand a metal detector line be open since Pissy stated the pornoscanner would never be used as a primary means of screening. I choose to stand in line and tell those around me about the truth of the TSA.

I dont have any issues with the way I act at an airport. If the [deleted] has a problem with me standing up for my rights, well, screw them.

tanja Oct 31, 2011 7:56 am

TSO workers choose if they are going to have a bad ,nasty,controlling attitude.

Wonder if that above was the requirements for getting hired.

There are not that many jobs that would think bad attitdue is a merit.

TSO are supposed to protect the pax. Now they are the one's to be scared about.

I think it is so odd that people who works with people can be allowed to treat people they way they do.

No wonder the tourists are avoiding USA. Less people are also flying within USA.If this trend keeps up TSO will only have each other to practise on.

Savvy Traveler Oct 31, 2011 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by MrColdShower (Post 17364440)
I sure hope this is true, but I would feel more confident if I saw some evidence of it when I go to the airport. I hardly ever see anyone opting out.

Don't forget that some people are performing SDOOs. I've been strangely lucky and never had to opt out, despite transiting many checkpoints with scanners and several very close calls. And I teach others to do the same.

But when my luck runs out one day, the response will be "OPT OUT!"

clrankin Oct 31, 2011 1:04 pm

Conditional respect
 
I will show respect if a TSO meets ALL of the following conditions in any interaction:

1. No pervasive "respect my authority" attitude. TSA is in a primarily customer service role, and this is something that they - from the top down - do not seem to understand. Of course, that's what you get when you hire a corrupt cop with an ego problem to run the organization. (Yes, I realize that "cop" and "ego problem" are essentially the same description. ;))

2. Respect for passenger privacy and belongings. TSA needs to strictly adhere to a policy of passenger control over their possessions at all times, to include being able to see them 100% of the time while transiting a checkpoint. TSA also needs to strictly adhere to a policy of not opening bags and handling passenger belongings without first obtaining explicit permission from the passenger to do so.

3. No barking. It goes hand in hand with #1 above, but is worth stating in its own point. Only those who have not flown at all in the past decade are unfamiliar with the shoe fetish, liquid fetish, and other needless frivolities at the checkpoint. They can be gently reminded by other passengers, or just read the myriad of signs that our taxpayer money was wasted on while standing in line. We don't need to further waste money by employing TSOs to do the "three S shuffle" - Stand, Stare, and Scream.

4. Politeness. Here it is again... TSA is primarily a customer service agency. If you want people on your side, the best way to achieve that result is to be nice, respectful, and polite to them at all times. Otherwise, you'll wind up with people like me as passengers - folks who would walk past a TSO bleeding to death on the floor and be more concerned about battery usage on his cell phone before a long flight.

5. No tolerance for criminal activity among employees. I'm really sick and tired of hearing the "...bad apple... not reflective of agency... and other bad apples who work here..." blurb from TSA. Perhaps if TSA were to step up efforts to curb the rampant criminal activity among its ranks, it would get a little more respect as an organization.

6. Strict adherence to Constitutional limitations. This is one of the most important, if not the most important. TSA should not be used as an end run around the Fourth Amendment or Fifth Amendment. The organization has a strict Fourth Amendment exception to search for WEI using the least intrusive means possible, and should stick strictly to that... No narc'ing about large sums of money, drugs, possible parent kidnappers, or any other craziness. I don't care if they find Jimmy Hoffa or Bernie Madoff in a dress trying to escape the country - their only concern should be whether or not they're carrying WEI. And they shouldn't have to frisk the person or see their naked body to find out. This also applies to agents who think the First Amendment doesn't apply at checkpoints - they should be given one final "retraining" and then fired if they can't comply.

7. Elimination of dead weight. Let's implement the three strikes rule. No, I'll go even better - a four strikes rule. First mistake, the TSO gets a verbal warning. Second mistake, they get a formal reprimand. Third mistake, demotion in pay grade. Fourth mistake, summary dismissal on the spot. Yank the badge and patch off their hotel bellhop uniform on the spot.

8. Understanding of limitations of power. TSA needs to explain to its agents that they are not law enforcement in any way, shape, or form. Their job is to be courteous, professional, efficient glorified luggage porters who are responsible for ensuring that WEI does not come aboard the plane. If they wish to be customs enforcement or law enforcement agents they should quit their TSA job and apply for positions with the appropriate agencies. A strict policy of reprimands for discourteous and/or unprofessional behavior should be enforced, subject to the four strikes rule outlined above. Make a bad joke, say something disrespectful, not provide service with a smile... get fired. It should be that simple.

9. Elimination of wasteful procedure. Pervert-o-Vision goes back to the unethical slime that pushed it on us to begin with. Law enforcement frisks are reserved for law enforcement agents once probable cause has been established. Unopened bottles of liquid are allowed through. The idiotic "no fly list" which hasn't made us one single iota safer is abolished. We go back to what worked for decades... metal detector for passengers, and x-ray for baggage. Passengers may also be expected to go through one of those "puffer" machines - but that's it as far as procedure goes. After those minimally invasive procedures a simple "up or down" (yes or no) decision is made for admission to the sterile area with no games, threats, or delay tactics allowed.

Once the above is instituted and strictly adhered to at TSA checkpoints, I would argue that most of its problems will go away. And its employees will likely also be respected.

KDS Oct 31, 2011 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by clrankin (Post 17366710)
3. No barking. It goes hand in hand with #1 above, but is worth stating in its own point. Only those who have not flown at all in the past decade are unfamiliar with the shoe fetish, liquid fetish, and other needless frivolities at the checkpoint. They can be gently reminded by other passengers, or just read the myriad of signs that our taxpayer money was wasted on while standing in line. We don't need to further waste money by employing TSOs to do the "three S shuffle" - Stand, Stare, and Scream.

On a recent trip through the "security" checkpoint, the TSO standing guard in front of the WTMD was trying to get my attention over and over so that he could "ensure" that I'd removed my belt, my liquids, my items from my pockets, etc. While he didn't bark or raise his voice, he repetitively said the phrases and then asked for my attention by "Sir" words over and over. I ignored him, didn't even look at him. He seemed rather unhappy that I wouldn't acknowledge his "helpful" reminders.

10mmAutoFan Oct 31, 2011 9:43 pm

No Respect is Due
 
When the TSOs didn't feel respected, the agency gave them blue shirts and shiney metal badges in an effort to appear more like LEOs in hopes that it would provide some additional respect from the travelers. To the casual or infrequent traveler, it may have worked. However, to the frequent traveler - it only added to the lack of respect as the TSOs began to swagger in their new duds, thinking they were something that they aren't.

Another fallout from the uniform change was a loss of respect by true sworn LEOs -- who view the blue shirts and metal badges as being "wannabe" items for fast food grade bag screeners.

I couldn't respect myself if my career was running my hands down people's waistbands and up their crotches on a routine basis...

ChrisFlyer66 Oct 31, 2011 9:46 pm

I try to cut them some slack because they have a tough, thankless job.

Exleftseat Oct 31, 2011 10:24 pm

You
 

Originally Posted by MrColdShower (Post 17364440)
I sure hope this is true, but I would feel more confident if I saw some evidence of it when I go to the airport. I hardly ever see anyone opting out.


You know, everyone who is posting assures us that he/she is opting out, yet I am the only one ever actually to do it. Where is the rest? Always seems a big deal and always is responded by : you are the only one who opted out today. What gives?

KDS Nov 1, 2011 3:55 am


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 17369612)
You know, everyone who is posting assures us that he/she is opting out, yet I am the only one ever actually to do it. Where is the rest? Always seems a big deal and always is responded b : you are the only one who opted out today. What gives?

I believe a lot of people who travel have no idea what they're doing when they step into an MMW or between the BKSX boxes. I've found many people, including ones who travel a dozen times a year, don't know that these are not metal detectors. I have had to explain the differences and then they go, "Oh!"

Educating the public one person at a time...

clrankin Nov 1, 2011 5:05 am


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 17369612)
You know, everyone who is posting assures us that he/she is opting out, yet I am the only one ever actually to do it. Where is the rest? Always seems a big deal and always is responded b : you are the only one who opted out today. What gives?

I do the ultimate opt-out; I refuse to fly. As long as the airlines support our government and TSA, I do not believe they deserve a penny of my money or my employer's travel budget.

Thus far, I've been lucky enough to avoid most travel. I've only been from DC-FL once (which I took the train for), into the northeast a few times (enjoyed Acela's service), and out to IA for a friend's wedding.

The Iowa trip was the most involved - instead of flying to MLI, I took Amtrak from DC-Chicago, took the El out to Midway, rented a car and drove the rest of the way (about 3 hours).

Yes - I am that fed up with TSA that I will essentially take 24 hours to travel to a destination that I could have been to in 6 or so hours (including layovers) if I had flown. My rights and beliefs are far more important to me.


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