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CBP doing checks @ IAH
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 17276611)
Since when did carrying large amounts of cash become a crime?
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I flew out of SLC this morning and as I was having my DL and boarding pass examined, the TSA official asked me for my father's name. I assumed that the question was part of the new procedures -- trying to see if I would stumble or hesitate answering something that almost anyone would be able to reply to immediately who was not flying under a false name. But I was wrong. Turns out that she thought that she knew my father. So she was just chatting.
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Originally Posted by erictank
(Post 17279610)
The problem is, I also am wrongly subjected to what they deserve.:mad::mad::mad:
It's getting to where we need to start learning German - and giving stiff-armed salutes to those interrogating us - in order to properly respond to these jackbooted thugs. It honestly is getting to be like something out of a WW2 movie and I'm astonished at the complacency of the general population, who appear to believe that "it can't happen here" simply because, well, "This is 'MURIKA, bah GOD!!" :rolleyes: There's nothing magical about this country, it's only the actions and attitudes of its people which prevent the sort of atrocities they blithely assert can't happen here - and those same people are whittling (or CHOPPING) away at the barriers which prevent them. In regard to questioning by the bdo, my reply will be "I TAKE THE FIFTH" |
Originally Posted by amanuensis
(Post 17284060)
... Turns out that she thought that she knew my father. So she was just chatting.
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Originally Posted by amanuensis
(Post 17284060)
Turns out that she thought that she knew my father. So she was just chatting.
I wonder what TSA's reaction would be if I went to the bank and withdrew a couple thousand dollars, but bundled it to look like several thousand, and then went through a checkpoint with it. The big question, of course, is if enough angst and ire could be drawn to warrant a civil rights lawsuit by only refusing to answer their questions around the source of the money - not baiting them, mind you, but politely refusing to answer something I'm not required to answer. |
Originally Posted by clrankin
(Post 17287651)
I'd say it's more likely that you were SPOTted by someone who was good at lying, unless you were flying out of a smaller airport.
I wonder what TSA's reaction would be if I went to the bank and withdrew a couple thousand dollars, but bundled it to look like several thousand, and then went through a checkpoint with it. The big question, of course, is if enough angst and ire could be drawn to warrant a civil rights lawsuit by only refusing to answer their questions around the source of the money - not baiting them, mind you, but politely refusing to answer something I'm not required to answer. |
Originally Posted by TheRoadie
(Post 17287376)
Or lying.
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Originally Posted by amanuensis
(Post 17284060)
I flew out of SLC this morning and as I was having my DL and boarding pass examined, the TSA official asked me for my father's name. I assumed that the question was part of the new procedures -- trying to see if I would stumble or hesitate answering something that almost anyone would be able to reply to immediately who was not flying under a false name. But I was wrong. Turns out that she thought that she knew my father. So she was just chatting.
Yep, that'll work for me. |
Genealogy as an anti-chatting tool
Originally Posted by amanuensis I flew out of SLC this morning and as I was having my DL and boarding pass examined, the TSA official asked me for my father's name. I assumed that the question was part of the new procedures -- trying to see if I would stumble or hesitate answering something that almost anyone would be able to reply to immediately who was not flying under a false name. But I was wrong. Turns out that she thought that she knew my father. So she was just chatting. ladytraveler |
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
(Post 17279573)
They don't; at least not in any country I've been to over the last 20+ years. I've nothing against Mr Jones, but I'm willing to bet he hasn't been to Europe in the last 20 years, if at all.
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 17276611)
Since when did carrying large amounts of cash become a crime?
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Originally Posted by Pete838
(Post 17294291)
Over $10k has been the threshold as long as I can remember, but since it's impossible to tell the value of a pile of money without counting it, sometimes a much smaller amount gets their attention. Most of the screeners have never seen $10k cash and don't know what it looks like.
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Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 17294314)
But it's not a crime if you report it to CBP.. and that's when you go out of the country. AFAIK, there is NO law that says you are not allowed to carry 10K+.
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Originally Posted by Houston.Business
(Post 17283251)
A lot of people just make it harder on themselves. Smile and be polite. Anything other than my information on my BP / DL / Passport is not given. I tell them it's Business, and it's confidential with my Company. 1 TSO insisted on more information, so I simply smiled, handed him my Business Card and told him "Feel free to call my office for any information you may require."
T: Where are you going today? G: Miami. T: Why are you going to Miami? G: South Beach.[non sequitur] T: Have a nice trip. or Why are you going to South Beach? G[option 2]: For the waters. |
Originally Posted by amanuensis
(Post 17284060)
I flew out of SLC this morning and as I was having my DL and boarding pass examined, the TSA official asked me for my father's name. I assumed that the question was part of the new procedures -- trying to see if I would stumble or hesitate answering something that almost anyone would be able to reply to immediately who was not flying under a false name. But I was wrong. Turns out that she thought that she knew my father. So she was just chatting.
Seriously, these guys are ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Houston.Business
(Post 17283251)
A lot of people just make it harder on themselves. Smile and be polite. Anything other than my information on my BP / DL / Passport is not given. I tell them it's Business, and it's confidential with my Company. 1 TSO insisted on more information, so I simply smiled, handed him my Business Card and told him "Feel free to call my office for any information you may require."
As to the article... They're looking for behavioral clues to possible deception, and hostility that warrants further scrutiny or a referral to law-enforcement officials. Authorities won't describe the physical clues, but research has focused on liars averting their eyes, having an inconsistent head gesture or wringing their hands. Chat-downs are an extension of a program called SPOT, for Screening of Passengers by Observation Techniques, that began after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. It now fields 3,000 officers at 161 airports at an annual cost of $212 million. From May 2004 to August 2008, 2 billion people boarded aircraft at SPOT airports and 152,000 were referred for secondary questioning, according to a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report in May 2010. About 14,000 passengers were referred to law enforcement officers and 1,100 were arrested during that period. Rather than charging anyone with terrorism, the SPOT detentions included 427 arrests of undocumented immigrants, 209 for outstanding warrants, 166 for fraudulent documents and 125 for drug possession. Meanwhile, GAO checked 16 people who had been charged in six terrorist plots during that period and found they had passed unhindered at least 23 times through eight airports where SPOT officers worked. "Although outstanding warrants and the possession of fraudulent or suspect documents could be associated with a terrorist threat, TSA officials did not identify any direct links to terrorism or any threat to the aviation system in any of these cases," the report said. "You've got to realize you're looking for needles in a haystack," says Paul Ekman, a psychology professor emeritus at University of California-San Francisco, who helped develop the SPOT program. "They don't appear very often. It's going to take you a long time to know whether a program is being successful." Ekman says people's noses don't grow if they're lying. However, he says, they give off clues beyond facial expressions when they're lying or have hostile intentions. Physical tics from head to toe can emerge, he says. "Concealment looks like concealment," says Ekman, a consultant on the Fox TV show Lie to Me. The TSA says it isn't profiling passengers, but simply questioning everyone in line for several hours each day. That's in contrast to Israel's system of questioning passengers, in which Ron says Israeli security collects much more information before a traveler arrives at the airport to determine how much scrutiny a person should receive at the airport. Israeli profiling explicitly labels a 25-year-old Palestinian from Gaza as a higher risk aboard a plane than an elderly Holocaust survivor, Ron says. He acknowledges that system wouldn't work in the United States because of laws against racial and religious discrimination. Mike |
Originally Posted by erictank
(Post 17279610)
The problem is, I also am wrongly subjected to what they deserve.:mad::mad::mad:
It's getting to where we need to start learning German - and giving stiff-armed salutes to those interrogating us - in order to properly respond to these jackbooted thugs. It honestly is getting to be like something out of a WW2 movie and I'm astonished at the complacency of the general population, who appear to believe that "it can't happen here" simply because, well, "This is 'MURIKA, bah GOD!!" :rolleyes: There's nothing magical about this country, it's only the actions and attitudes of its people which prevent the sort of atrocities they blithely assert can't happen here - and those same people are whittling (or CHOPPING) away at the barriers which prevent them. |
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