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rgfloor Sep 19, 2011 5:10 am

Is This New?
 
I noticed this as I was scanning the DHS Budget Request for 2012, it is on page 26.

Wondered if it was a new program!

"In coordination with U.S. airline flight attendants, TSA developed a behavior recognition and response training program and incorporated it into its voluntary Crew Member Self Defense Training Program. This behavioral training provides another layer of security by teaching flight crews how to detect, respond and report common indicators exhibited by those engaged
in suspicious activity."

Gotta tell ya, after the Detroit fiasco "It's NOT working!!"

Dudey Sep 19, 2011 5:29 am

Yup, it was on the news not too long ago. I think it certain helps the TSA to be more mindful of our surroundings and be able to detect or recognize "suspicious" behavior.

alanR Sep 19, 2011 5:30 am

Probably taught that a weak bladder or dicky tummy is a sign of terrorism as the terrorist is nervous

Global_Hi_Flyer Sep 19, 2011 6:06 am

History repeats itself.

Some pertinent quotes:


There is a hate layer of opinion and emotion in America. There will be other McCarthys to come who will be hailed as its heroes.

Max Lerner

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

Edward R. Murrow

"We have seen the technique of the
'Big Lie,' elsewhere employed by the totalitarian dictator with devastating success, utilized here for the first time on a sustained basis in our history....

....We have seen the character of private citizens and of Government employees virtually destroyed by
public condemnation on the basis of gossip, distortion, hearsay, and deliberate untruths.....The spectacle is one we would expect in a totalitarian nation where the rights of the individual are crushed beneath the juggernaut of statism and oppression; it has no place in America where government exists to serve our people, not destroy them."
............The Tydings Committee Report on McCarthy's Charges(1950).

As a result of this anti-communist hysteria, many Americans were constantly looking over their shoulders wondering whether their neighbors, friends, and government officials were communists.
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/le...thy.htm#Truman

alanR Sep 19, 2011 6:47 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 17133694)

Unfortunately not uncommon in the US - consider the reason why this sort of activity is called a "witch hunt". The US has always had bogie-men to blame

clrankin Sep 19, 2011 12:48 pm

Salem had its "witches".

The 1940s and 1950s had its "reds" through the practice of McCarthyism.

The 1960s and 1970s had its concerns over USSR in Cuba.

The 1980s had the Cold War.

And now the 2000s have terrorism.

It looks like we've come full circle: starting off with imagination and sorcery; stumbling into a perceived threat which could have been real; then moving on to a very real threat; and now, once again, back to attempts to divine something from nothing and stoke people's imaginations for fear.

mikeef Sep 19, 2011 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by clrankin (Post 17135774)
Salem had its "witches".

The 1940s and 1950s had its "reds" through the practice of McCarthyism.

The 1960s and 1970s had its concerns over USSR in Cuba.

The 1980s had the Cold War.

And now the 2000s have terrorism.

It looks like we've come full circle: starting off with imagination and sorcery; stumbling into a perceived threat which could have been real; then moving on to a very real threat; and now, once again, back to attempts to divine something from nothing and stoke people's imaginations for fear.

Don't forget what I consider the scariest of all of them: the Japanese internment camps during WW2. American citizens were rounded up because of their race. You know, because we were at war with the Japanese.

Now, substitute the word "Muslim" for Japanese...

Mike

maniac78 Sep 19, 2011 2:31 pm

Hey was the underwear bomber acting all suspicious before he tried to blow up his nut sack? Anyone know? I don't seem to recall anyone claiming he was being "suspicious". It's kind of funny how that works.

Lara21 Sep 19, 2011 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 17133764)
You, like 99% of the population, have no clue as to what constitutes suspicious behavior.

That is so true because in the world we seem to be now living in.

Everyday normal activity that almost every person does is now being seen as suspicious activity that makes them a target for being put in handcuffs by armed police all because of chicken little yelling the sky is falling over someone using the bathroom more than once, using a phone or taking a photograph.

chollie Sep 19, 2011 4:04 pm

Well, like all of us, I'm busy and I want to be safe.

Like many of us, my resources are already stretched thin.

So to honor Nappy's SS:SS program, I will limit my scope to reporting any 'suspicious' TSO behavior.

It's critical that we support these front-line folks in the domestic war on terror. It is critical that we assist these front-line folks in maintaining the most trust-worthy organization in the country. Our domestic safety and well-being depend on it, Nappy and Pistole-grip remind us of this all the time.

I apologize in advance if I report TSO behavior that looks suspicious to me and it is just part of SOP. After all, I don't know what the SOP is.

For example, maybe it's SOP to transport a 'surrendered' Ipad from the checkpoint to the secure trash bin by carrying it down the front of your pants (keeps the TSO's hands free for a possible sudden urgent need to grope), but I wouldn't have any way of knowing that.

RadioGirl Sep 19, 2011 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 17137026)
Well, like all of us, I'm busy and I want to be safe.

Like many of us, my resources are already stretched thin.

So to honor Nappy's SS:SS program, I will limit my scope to reporting any 'suspicious' TSO behavior....

:confused::confused: Reporting suspicious behavior by TSA employees could be a full-time job. Plus overtime.

;):D

DeafBlonde Sep 19, 2011 5:34 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 17137469)
:confused::confused: Reporting suspicious behavior by TSA employees could be a full-time job. Plus overtime.

;):D


Anything For Security!!


:D

LuvAirFrance Sep 19, 2011 5:53 pm

Don't forget the Palmer Raids in the 20's, the first anticommunist witch hunt. I'm quite certain a thorough study of American history can show this is a recurrent phase. Sinclair Lewis chronicled some of it that he saw. Oh yeh, the Germans in the teens. Needed that to deter opposition to the sending of soldiers to WWI. I think that was the ground floor for Hoover.

4nsicdoc Sep 20, 2011 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 17137469)
:confused::confused: Reporting suspicious behavior by TSA employees could be a full-time job. Plus overtime.

;):D

Don't you think it is very suspicious that they wear gloves so as to not leave fingerprints when they paw through our stuff?

CDKing Sep 20, 2011 8:53 pm

DHS actually has a budget???


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