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Fredd Sep 11, 2011 7:52 am

Using the lav twice is a diversion
 
I checked first to see if this had been posted under "Practical Travel Safety Issues." :p

Apparently to at least one "see-something-say-something" WN flyer, the spectacle of another pax using the lav twice in one flight was worth reporting. :rolleyes:

Southwest Flight Diverted Over Suspicious Passenger

Darkumbra Sep 11, 2011 8:28 am

My guess is that on every flight there's a least one person who needs to visit the jakes more than once. How long would it take to pull back on SS.SS if all of these continence challenged individuals were reported on every flight?

All i'm saying is if you see something? Say something! :D

Fredd Sep 11, 2011 8:34 am


Originally Posted by Darkumbra (Post 17090379)
My guess is that on every flight there's a least one person who needs to visit the jakes more than once. How long would it take to pull back on SS.SS if all of these continence challenged individuals were reported on every flight?

All i'm saying is if you see something? Say something! :D

^ I've reached that certain age where a major traveling maxim is "Never overlook an opportunity to use the facilities." That's one reason this really caught my attention.

I'll have to put it out of my mind lest the very thought of it induces such a nervous bladder that I'll be heading for the lav even more often. :D

mikew99 Sep 11, 2011 8:37 am

Good grief. On one recent flight, when I had what would politely be described as "stomach problems," I visited the lav twice before we even took off (and a few times more after). I'm relieved that nobody noticed my suspicious behavior. :rolleyes:

t325 Sep 11, 2011 9:20 am


Originally Posted by mikew99 (Post 17090411)
Good grief. On one recent flight, when I had what would politely be described as "stomach problems," I visited the lav twice before we even took off (and a few times more after). I'm relieved that nobody noticed my suspicious behavior. :rolleyes:

I'm guessing you're not brown.

chollie Sep 11, 2011 9:33 am

:rolleyes:

What next? Will I have to ask an FA for 'permission' to use the restroom?

And people thought it was crazy when the Ryanair CEO talked about charging to use the loo. What next? A pre-loo 'screening'? No amenity kits or handbags in the loos?

Way to 'honor' 9-11 and the indomitable American spirit.

MusicManSamwise Sep 11, 2011 9:39 am

Very frustrating. I have a prostate condition which results in frequent urination. I definitely have to use the lav on 2+ hour flights at least once, even more on transcons. So now not being the picture of health is "suspicious."

To the victims of 9/11, I'm sorry that we created the United Police State of America in response to your tragedy.

n4zhg Sep 11, 2011 10:02 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 17090632)
:rolleyes:

What next? Will I have to ask an FA for 'permission' to use the restroom?

And people thought it was crazy when the Ryanair CEO talked about charging to use the loo. What next? A pre-loo 'screening'? No amenity kits or handbags in the loos?

Way to 'honor' 9-11 and the indomitable American spirit.

Welcome to the Paranoid State of Amerika.

bzbdewd Sep 11, 2011 10:07 am

Pathetic.

zoobtoob Sep 11, 2011 10:16 am

"A 'suspicious item' was found"

Did the pax forget to flush?

n4zhg Sep 11, 2011 10:24 am


The suspicious passenger was detained, interviewed by authorities, and cleared for flight. He was not charged with any wrongdoing and his identity was not released.
I figure we'll find out who he is when the notice of claim is delivered to SouthWest and Homeland Security.

mikew99 Sep 11, 2011 10:52 am


Originally Posted by t325 (Post 17090578)
I'm guessing you're not brown.

Actually, I am brown, but in the U.S., I am considered Black. (Oh, the irony....)

But I won't be surprised if the "suspicious" passenger is tan-brown instead of Black-brown. I guess we'll find out soon.

OrlandoFlyer Sep 11, 2011 11:16 am

I maybe not seeing all the news stories, but it appears to me that SW has more news stories about kicking people off flights or diverting flights, for a multitude of paranoid unjustified reasons. I thought that they were supposed to be one of the better customer friendly airlines we have in the USA. I am really starting to wonder.

chollie Sep 11, 2011 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by Darkumbra (Post 17090379)
My guess is that on every flight there's a least one person who needs to visit the jakes more than once. How long would it take to pull back on SS.SS if all of these continence challenged individuals were reported on every flight?

All i'm saying is if you see something? Say something! :D

I've wondered if there is a 'tipping point' to 'SS.SS' - you know, a point where it all breaks down because the ones most likely to consistently (and frequently) SS.SS are going to be kooks.

Years ago, phoned-in bomb threats were briefly 'popular' at the local high schools. The initial reaction was understandable: school officials immediately evacuated the students and the police were called in. I often wondered if pranksters stopped making the calls or if the school officials stopped taking them seriously, because it was a very short-lived phenomenon. No one was ever identified or charged with the calls. Certainly nothing changed at my school from a student's point of view - no walls went up, checkpoints, etc.

I'd like to think the ill-advised SS.SS will overwhelm the system and wither away like the reaction to phoned-in bomb threats did at our local schools.

Then I think about East Germany and the sadness of folks being encouraged to SS.SS against each other. Maybe this is just going to get worse.

Cathay Boy Sep 11, 2011 12:51 pm

Only dictatorship such as Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR, Mao's China practice policy to make its people monitor each other, report to authorities, and more often than not the person being reported will be some kind of punishment regardless of facts. It really sounds like US is heading down that road with this ridiculous "see something, say something." Average person is simply not trained to distinguish real threat from certain behaviors.

TSA rather turn Americans against each other rather than target the real suspects of terrorists with pre-established patterns and factors, really pathetic. And yes, I'm one of those person that likes to drink a lot and thus the biological result is I needed to go urinate a lot, I would go to the can multiple times even on a short 2 hour flight....

CelticPax Sep 11, 2011 1:51 pm

Allergies, asthma, good hydration, general comfort.

I drink a lot. I pee a lot.

Apparently even this is now a problem.

Until now, I'd been open to the idea of flying for my job if they really needed me to, but I've been lucky. It's coming to the point now, I won't even consider that.

And now I have to take time out of my days to call and complain to Southwest and a few others, right after calling the Mall of America. The list is getting mighty long.

alanR Sep 11, 2011 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 17091365)
I've wondered if there is a 'tipping point' to 'SS.SS' - you know, a point where it all breaks down because the ones most likely to consistently (and frequently) SS.SS are going to be kooks.

Didn't you get the memo - SS.SS is now PI.SS :D

SQ421 Sep 12, 2011 2:17 am

gives a whole new meaning to the word bio-terror :D

:td: to the massive over reaction, by the way

FliesWay2Much Sep 12, 2011 4:41 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 17091365)
Then I think about East Germany and the sadness of folks being encouraged to SS.SS against each other. Maybe this is just going to get worse.

In its heyday, the Stasi had one informant for every 60 citizens -- and that was only domestically.

mulieri Sep 12, 2011 8:06 am

A big "F" to the media that reports everything as "suspicious" activity. This has gotten to a ridiculous extreme now that we are reporting on each other for every little thing: too many bathroom breaks, spending too long in the bathroom, praying, looking "different", etc etc.

How's one supposed to join the mile high club anymore with the whole plane watching... :rolleyes:

clrankin Sep 12, 2011 10:57 am

When I fly again (it may not be until next summer, when TSA security will likely have us all stripping down and putting on white terry cloth bathrobes for our flight), I am now planning to do the following:

1. Have a video of the airplanes hitting the towers on 9/11 playing on my iPad
2. Say a short prayer prior to the flight taxiing to the runway
3. Say a short prayer at take-off
4. Use the lavatory as soon as possible after take-off
5. Take my iPad to the lavatory with me
6. Stay in the lavatory for at least 10 minutes
7. Return to seat
8. Maybe start a flight simulator game on my iPad, or open a flight manual or something
9. Another trip to the lavatory
10. Another trip to the lavatory
11. (Well, I think you get the idea)

I wonder how far I'll get down the list before some ultra-paranoid overzealous flight attendant decides to screw with me and risk their career (or at least being sued).

saulblum Sep 12, 2011 11:42 am


Originally Posted by clrankin (Post 17096054)
1. Have a video of the airplanes hitting the towers on 9/11 playing on my iPad

Last September 11, I was flying out of PBI, and the newsstand had the TV on, and I forget if it was simply the news coverage, or some video about 9/11, but there were several repetitions of the clips of the planes hitting the towers.

Should I have reported the cashiers at the newsstand to the authorities? :mad:

clrankin Sep 12, 2011 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by saulblum (Post 17096290)
Last September 11, I was flying out of PBI, and the newsstand had the TV on, and I forget if it was simply the news coverage, or some video about 9/11, but there were several repetitions of the clips of the planes hitting the towers.

Should I have reported the cashiers at the newsstand to the authorities? :mad:

You saw something, but didn't say something? Oh dear... Minus 15 Cadre Points for you! :rolleyes:

gj83 Sep 12, 2011 12:31 pm

I was on a flight in F and the guy in the third row of coach came up to use the front rest room at least 3 times during a sub-2 hour flight. I was just glad the lav didn't smell.

AlmostThere Sep 12, 2011 12:42 pm

For your security we now installing German Style toilets on board. You will be required to collect and take with you when you leave the plane.

This is for your protection and safety, thank you for your compliance.

:p

thaidai Sep 12, 2011 1:09 pm

Do Do
 
Or Do a Gerard Depardieu do:cool:

t325 Sep 12, 2011 2:15 pm

Speaking of lavs....

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/276...t-re-screening


St. Louis (KSDK/AP) -- Passengers aboard a flight bound from St. Louis to Washington on the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks had to re-screened after the crew became concerned about something found on the plane.

The plane was GoJet Airlines flight 3681, a regional carrier for United Airlines.

Rahsaan Johnson, a spokesperson for United Airlines, said the plane was still at the gate when the paper towels were found stuffed in a toilet.

The crew decided as a precaution to request that all passengers be rescreened due to the paper towels and overall condition of the restroom.

Nothing was found and the plane departed.

The plane arrived at Washington Dulles International Airport just over an hour late.
Well thank god somebody saw it and said something. Only Al Qaeda disregards the "Don't throw paper towels in the toilet" sign.

chollie Sep 12, 2011 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by gj83 (Post 17096572)
I was on a flight in F and the guy in the third row of coach came up to use the front rest room at least 3 times during a sub-2 hour flight. I was just glad the lav didn't smell.

It might have been a bladder issue.

I pity anyone on a flight who needs frequent bathroom use. Between seatbelt signs on, carts in the aisle, injunctions not to form a line (great, when you're in the first row of 'Y' and the toilets are in the back of the plane), and the infinite number of things that can come up (traveller's gut, UTIs, medical conditions), it can be a bit of a hassle already.

Wonder if the airport vendors are carrying adult diapers yet?

FXWizard Sep 12, 2011 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 17090632)
:rolleyes:

What next? Will I have to ask an FA for 'permission' to use the restroom?

You'll have to raise your hand and wait to be recognized - of course, we should all by now be experienced in hand-raising because of the scanners. ;)

mikeef Sep 12, 2011 2:59 pm

Breaking news!
 
Turns out the "suspicious item" was a copy of the US Constitution and it was deemed "suspicious" because no one at the TSA had ever seen it before.

Mike


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