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Fisher1949 Aug 24, 2011 5:41 pm

Bet we could have some fun with this map. Other items to add to the legend:

Children Under 12 Groped.

Grandmothers Strip Searched

Express Passenger Genital Inspections.

Weapons Missed at Checkpoint.

Thefts from Carry On Bags

TXagogo Aug 24, 2011 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by Fisher1949 (Post 16988415)
Bet we could have some fun with this map. Other items to add to the legend:

Children Under 12 Groped.

Grandmothers Strip Searched

Express Passenger Genital Inspections.

Weapons Missed at Checkpoint.

Thefts from Carry On Bags

OMG! do you know of anyone who could do this? I would LOVE to make that image as my facebook profile photo.

Seriously. Anyone on here have that kind of ability? Maybe we can get it circulating.

FriendlySkies Aug 24, 2011 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by TXagogo (Post 16988626)
OMG! do you know of anyone who could do this? I would LOVE to make that image as my facebook profile photo.

Seriously. Anyone on here have that kind of ability? Maybe we can get it circulating.

Easy for me to do on the computer. I'll see what I can do :)

TXagogo Aug 24, 2011 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by Fisher1949 (Post 16988415)
Bet we could have some fun with this map. Other items to add to the legend:

Children Under 12 Groped.

Grandmothers Strip Searched

Express Passenger Genital Inspections.

Weapons Missed at Checkpoint.

Thefts from Carry On Bags

Here is my first brainstorm.

A map of the USA with the following:

1. A star for New Orleans (Children Under 12 Groped)
2. A star for Dallas (Weapons Missed at Chekpoint)
3. A star for "?" (Cancer Patient Doused With Urine by TSA)
4. A star for Newark (Thefts From Carry-on Bags)
5. A star for Denver (Grandmother Strip Searched)
6. A star for Albuquerque (Man Falsely Arrested For No Reason)

Any more? Then at the bottom it can say "Welcome to the USA where we don't discriminate - ALL citizens are treated like criminals!" (or something snarky like that) lol

bajajoes Aug 24, 2011 6:26 pm

Does This Mean.....?
 

Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16987633)
He says pax don't have to answer questions. No problem.

However, if he were not trying to mislead the public, he would have added that not answering questions will have consequences - the rigorous secondary, which, IIRC, starts with...BDOs asking questions.

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This would seem to be good news for those annoyed at the "Say Your Name"
garbage. :( IF they have been saying Do you want to fly today?:mad:
Any comments regarding this?;)

FriendlySkies Aug 24, 2011 6:56 pm

How's this?

http://friendlyskies.smugmug.com/pho...zzr9st6-XL.jpg

N965VJ Aug 24, 2011 7:12 pm

You could add "Smackdown in the employee parking lot after jokes about penis size on the Nude-O-Scope screen" etc. etc., but with all the Isolated Incidents™ you wouldn't be able to see the map anymore. :D

Wimpie Aug 24, 2011 7:33 pm

Don't forget Rolando Negrin in MIA.
The TSA screener who went ballistic over the size of his wiener as seen on AIT.
"Pictures suitable for Readers Digest"

FriendlySkies Aug 24, 2011 7:39 pm

http://friendlyskies.smugmug.com/pho...vGTbV8s-XL.jpg

:D^

FliesWay2Much Aug 24, 2011 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 16988880)

Wow -- Is this in a pdf or JPEG I can download somewhere? I'll PM you with details.

Flahusky Aug 24, 2011 8:18 pm

@FriendlySkies, That is great!
Wonder if someone could do an interactive overlay(layers?) via Google and RSS?
Something like
Layer 1 - TSA propaganda
Layer 2 - TSA Catches (I know it would be empty... so toss in the guns and defense pens)
Layer 3 - TSA Mission Creep (Drug Busts, money seizures, etc) Include the Amtrak incident and Ga interstate road side carnival
Layer 4 - TSA Abuse (Assaults on children, infirm and elderly)
Layer 5 - TSA Theft

RadioGirl Aug 24, 2011 8:29 pm


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16985879)
I get the feeling the only benefit the trusted traveler program will provide is not taking off shoes.

You're probably getting that "feeling" because that's almost exactly what the head of the whole TSA said. (He also said you can leave your laptop in your bag. Whoop-de-doo.)


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16985879)
It sounds like they are still going run trusted travelers through the whole body X-Ray Chambers and its associated cancer risks.

Again, that's pretty much what he said. His idea of "expedited" is you can keep your shoes on and laptop in bag. He's rigorously avoiding any mention of skipping the NoS.

JumboD Aug 24, 2011 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 16989519)
You're probably getting that "feeling" because that's almost exactly what the head of the whole TSA said. (He also said you can leave your laptop in your bag. Whoop-de-doo.)


Again, that's pretty much what he said. His idea of "expedited" is you can keep your shoes on and laptop in bag. He's rigorously avoiding any mention of skipping the NoS.

There are two potential interpretations of this. First, the one we all fear, the NOS remains a reality, with even fewer SDOO chances. Under that scenario, he wants to avoid people declining the program for this reason. Second, and the one I hope for, he specifically doesn't mention it because these travelers will be subjected to it less frequently and he does not want to create an uproar or concern among the general public. Otherwise, he would have stated that it is still a necessary element of security.

ESpen36 Aug 24, 2011 9:07 pm

While I would like to be able to leave my shoes on, I happen to know that my travel shoes have enough metal parts that they alarm the WTMD. So, I could not leave them on when using the WTMD. And for me, it is a MUCH bigger deal to avoid the NoS than to take off my shoes.

So, the shoe issue is a dead one for me.

Now, avoiding laptop removal WOULD be nice.

LuvAirFrance Aug 24, 2011 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by Fisher1949 (Post 16988415)
Bet we could have some fun with this map. Other items to add to the legend:

Children Under 12 Groped.

Grandmothers Strip Searched

Express Passenger Genital Inspections.

Weapons Missed at Checkpoint.

Thefts from Carry On Bags

I totally want that. Fly informed.


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