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InkUnderNails Aug 2, 2011 12:49 am

When they are finished screening my bag, I inventory it before it leaves the shiny table. I will say "I want to make a quick check to make sure everything got back in here." This has never been a problem. I will also ask permission to repack it. It allows me to check without seeming to be checking. Anyway, the case is crammed full with a place for everything and everything in its place. Only I know how to pack it. I am prepared to say "My ________ is missing. Get an LEO and pull the tapes, now." I've never had to do this. The things in my bag are very valuable, about $15,000 to replace, but they do not look like they are. Just the special RG58-CU cables with Amphenol connectors are over $1500.

JumboD Aug 2, 2011 1:38 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16836824)
I'm sure there are far more honest TSA screeners than dishonest but they all wear they same uniform so all screeners must be suspected of being dishonest.

That's like saying the FDA should approve a drug for toenail fungus which causes heart attacks in 25% of people taking it, even though "far more" people don't have a heart attack then do.

FliesWay2Much Aug 2, 2011 4:41 am


Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler (Post 16841505)
Just how many Spokesholes does the TSA have employed?

Seriously -- anyone have a number?

If Spokesholess-in-Chief Kristin's official bio is to be believed:



Lee heads a team of 30 public affairs professionals responsible for media relations, public liaison, graphic arts, internal and external Web sites, and employee communications.
One of those 30 is our close & personal friend, Blogdad Bob.

FliesWay2Much Aug 2, 2011 4:47 am


Originally Posted by BillForster (Post 16841395)
I don't think most of these thefts that take place at the checkpoint are done as your bag goes through the x-ray. So I don't think the lock is going to do much.

I think most of the checkpoint thefts take place during the bag search, while you are standing there. They put their back to you and the camera and tell you to "stand back."

I think it is a wise idea to say, "Hey, I'll stand back but can't I see what you are doing? I need to watch my belongings." If another officer is patting you down inform them to wait until one screening process is done before starting another. If they give you difficultly about doing any of this ask to bring over a supervisor. Simply explain you want to watch your bag.

Yes. I understand that a lot of these people will cause issues and be difficult with you over this. But it is still better than doing nothing.

I would be most concerned with the things in your pockets. If you place them in the tray they are more likely to disappear. If they are in you pockets during a patdown they will be handled by the TSA and possibly run through the x-ray by them. I would empty your pockets into you bag and hold cash in hand.

I know several of us keep preaching this, but I'll post it again. Long before the TSA emerged from the swamp, I took everything out of my pockets -- wallet, keys, coins -- and took off my watch and placed them in a locking compartment of my carry-on. I did this long before I got within sight of the checkpoint. I knew where everything was. Today, the screening clerks are going to have to wait until my frisking is over before they paw through my carry-on. In the heat of battle and confusion at a checkpoint, the clerks have the upper hand and they know it. So, the best thing you can do is to safeguard everything before you get to the checkpoint in as few places as possible. If nothing else, you need to give your undivided attention to executing your self-directed opt-out plan.

TheGolfWidow Aug 2, 2011 6:41 am


Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler (Post 16841505)
Just how many Spokesholes does the TSA have employed?

Seriously -- anyone have a number?

Why do they need more than one bot that can cut/paste sound bytes like 'nation's professional security force,' 'zero tolerance for theft,' and 'respect and sensitivity?'

Mr. Elliott Aug 2, 2011 7:30 am

Every time I go through airport screening, everything in my pockets, except for the pen in my shirt pocket gets locked up in my carry on, the pen is there for writing down any screeners name and badge numbers if needed.

No screener can open my bags without my permission, because they do not have the authority to break open locks of carry on luggage at the checkpoint.

If I have to open any of my carry on items, I always position myself so I can clearly see the screener’s hands. Fortunately so far I have not had any problems with screeners trying to hide their actions from me or ordering me to stand back, but the minute they do, I will demand they stop and call for a supervisor and an LEO.

I do not trust TSA screeners at all, there are just too many thieves in their ranks and I have the right to keep my possessions in sight at all times, including the contents of my carry on’s.

I have no compulsions at all to tell any supervisor to their face that I am concerned about theft from my luggage and that I consider all screeners to be potential thieves, not accusing them directly of being thieves, but I am just acting in the abundance of caution.

Mr. Elliott

jamesdenver Aug 2, 2011 12:11 pm

After removing my laptop I put my small "manpurse" (which contains my wallet and valuables) inside my rollerbag, then I always snap a small lock on the zippers.

The only thing I have to watch is my laptop - which I place in the middle between my bag and shoe bin. If they pick up my back and attempt to open in the main portion is locked, and the key is tucked in the side pocket with some powerbars.

There's no way for them to steal my wallet, cell phone, camera - etc as it's all sealed up. This takes me a couple seconds to switch around, but I've done it enough it's second nature and easy to swap and move while queueing down the line.

belynch Aug 2, 2011 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16836473)
The port authority police must hate the amount of time they have to spend looking at TSA tapes

When I reported felony larceny from my carry-on bag at the checkpoint in LGA the PANYNJ responding PO took great pride in reviewing the tapes, indicting a TSO in the crime.

Wasn't at all an inconvenience for the officer.

Mr. Elliott Aug 2, 2011 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 16845118)
When I reported felony larceny from my carry-on bag at the checkpoint in LGA the PANYNJ responding PO took great pride in reviewing the tapes, indicting a TSO in the crime.

Wasn't at all an inconvenience for the officer.

Hopefully the screener was arrested and handcuffed in plain view of all the other screeners at the checkpoint.

Happiness is seeing a TSO being led away in handcuffs, I might even start clapping if I saw it happen.

Mr. Elliott

goalie Aug 2, 2011 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain (Post 16840958)

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16838126)
I still haven't seen an explanation from TSA saying why their great and powerful BDO program seems unable to identify TSA Thieves.

That's because the checkpoints don't have mirrors.

But they do have cameras...but whether they are working, have recording media properly installed and/or the recording hasn't been damaged or destroyed is another story entirely ;)


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