DHS Fear Campaign Continues
#16
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Haven't we seen this before? Doesn't anyone remember Operation TIPS? It was a stupid idea right after 9/11 and it is a stupid idea now.
PublicIntelligence.net:
Contrary to the program’s self-representation as limited to law enforcement and first responder personnel, there are many members of the private sector who have also become TLOs. In one solicitation from the Los Angeles Regional Terrorism Threat Analysis Center, a TLO is defined as “any peace officer, firefighter, state investigator, federal agent, military investigative personnel, or anyone working closely within the public safety/homeland security community, who has been properly certified by the appropriate Regional Terrorism Threat Assessment Center (RTTAC).”3 A 2008 article in the Denver Post stated that at least 181 TLOs existed in Colorado at the time and that their positions ranged from paramedics to “utility workers”:
Denver Post:
"Suspicious activity" is broadly defined in TLO training as behavior that could lead to terrorism: taking photos of no apparent aesthetic value, making measurements or notes, espousing extremist beliefs or conversing in code, according to a draft Department of Justice/Major Cities Chiefs Association document.
"The problem is, you're drafting individuals whose job isn't law enforcement to spy on ordinary Americans and report their activities to the government," said John Verdi, director of the open-government project at the Electronic Privacy Information Center.
#17
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Does anyone have link for this video that does not involve InfoWars? It has an absurd title, it is followed by links to Alex Jones videos... The video may be a real DHS production but I'm not sending an InfoWars-related link to anyone that I want to respect me in the morning.
#18
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Does anyone have link for this video that does not involve InfoWars? It has an absurd title, it is followed by links to Alex Jones videos... The video may be a real DHS production but I'm not sending an InfoWars-related link to anyone that I want to respect me in the morning.
#20
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That's painful to watch and I don't mean the stereotyping. Well I suppose I do, since all the "terrists" are portrayed as complete doofuses - doing their suspicious activities stuff out in the open with no apparent awareness of their surroundings. If there were any terrorists in the US I'm sure they would be a little more circumspect and not quite so bldy obvious.
Really this would be a poor high school film project. A whole lot cheaper though I bet.
Fools .
#21
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C'mon people. I think you should all call 911 immediately to make a report every time your in an airport and see a white male in dark clothes with a camera. And be sure to tell the 911 operator that you saw a Big Sis video telling you to do this. We'll all be so much safer. (Probably even have a copy the link and give it to the operator when she threatens to have you arrested for making a false complaint).
#22
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Photography
As a photography and airplane enthusiast I have lost track the number of times I've been taking pictures at the airport and have been approached by the local sherrifs department and told I need to stop. I even have a "permit" from the local airport authority now that I don't really need, because it is public property, just to make my life easier when they stop me and try to muscle me into leaving. There have been a few times where the sherrifs seemed disappointed that I did have a permit and that they couldn't hassle me as much as they wanted to.
I've also had someone call a local counter terrorism unit and report my license plate so I'm sure I'm on a list somewhere now.
The irony is I do more to promote aviation safety every day at work than any TSA agent will ever do.
I've also had someone call a local counter terrorism unit and report my license plate so I'm sure I'm on a list somewhere now.
The irony is I do more to promote aviation safety every day at work than any TSA agent will ever do.
#23
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The point is this: DHS is not targeting radical Saudis, Egyptians, Yemenis or Pakistanis. They're targeting Americans. Making a youtube video is now a subversive action that should be reported. A guy sitting in a park writing in his journal is someone that needs to be tazed and interrogated. "In this day and age" is a phrase that needs to be repeated daily in to remind people they should be scared.
The Statue of Liberty is kaput.
The Statue of Liberty is kaput.
#24
Join Date: Apr 2011
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So, per the article, if I see something suspicious, I'm supposed to say something, right? Do I need to report myself when I report other suspicious activity to the police?
Think of all the people I'll need to report, including the TSA, everytime I see them talking to the police. Then I'll have to report myself as well for reporting them to the police. Will the cycle ever end?
In the course of the 10 minute clip, a myriad of different behaviors are characterized as terrorism, including opposing surveillance, using a video camera, talking to police officers, wearing hoodies, driving vans, writing on a piece of paper, and using a cell phone recording application.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7q3bWEvl7o
That's painful to watch and I don't mean the stereotyping. Well I suppose I do, since all the "terrists" are portrayed as complete doofuses - doing their suspicious activities stuff out in the open with no apparent awareness of their surroundings. If there were any terrorists in the US I'm sure they would be a little more circumspect and not quite so bldy obvious.
Really this would be a poor high school film project. A whole lot cheaper though I bet.
Fools .
That's painful to watch and I don't mean the stereotyping. Well I suppose I do, since all the "terrists" are portrayed as complete doofuses - doing their suspicious activities stuff out in the open with no apparent awareness of their surroundings. If there were any terrorists in the US I'm sure they would be a little more circumspect and not quite so bldy obvious.
Really this would be a poor high school film project. A whole lot cheaper though I bet.
Fools .
Almost made it to the end without throwing up, then remembered I'm also helping to pay for it.
Are any other scenes as hilariously wrong as the hospital one? Only a terr'rist dumber than the underwear bomber could believe facilities with multi-million-dollar imaging/oncology machines keep spare six-figure, constantly-decaying radiation sources for them in unlocked laundry rooms.
But apparently the filmmakers are.
If this gets widely viewed, there will be disruption at hospitals that affect patients' health because someone calls the cops after seeing an aide sneak into a broom closet for a smoke.
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#29
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So, per the article, if I see something suspicious, I'm supposed to say something, right? Do I need to report myself when I report other suspicious activity to the police?
Think of all the people I'll need to report, including the TSA, everytime I see them talking to the police. Then I'll have to report myself as well for reporting them to the police. Will the cycle ever end?
Think of all the people I'll need to report, including the TSA, everytime I see them talking to the police. Then I'll have to report myself as well for reporting them to the police. Will the cycle ever end?
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Can a local TSO help me SPOT all the white middle class Americans in this photo?