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SWCPHX May 9, 2011 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 16357529)

The cops tried to issue tickets against these folks. The cases were promptly thrown out of court because buying merchandise (a cup of coffee) at an airport concessionare was held to be "legitimate airport use" by the courts.

And I would agree that that would be a legitimate airport use, no question.

I'm still curious as to why I've never seen a homeless person or homeless people hanging out at airports, though? Personally I think they'd be a great public place to hang out at if I were homeless. How often can you hang out at a library?

barbell May 9, 2011 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 16357864)
I'm still curious as to why I've never seen a homeless person or homeless people hanging out at airports, though? Personally I think they'd be a great public place to hang out at if I were homeless. How often can you hang out at a library?

You've obviously never been to ATL.

CitizenTerrorist May 9, 2011 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 16357864)
And I would agree that that would be a legitimate airport use, no question.

I'm still curious as to why I've never seen a homeless person or homeless people hanging out at airports, though? Personally I think they'd be a great public place to hang out at if I were homeless. How often can you hang out at a library?

Because you have to walk probably 10 miles to the airport. And if you get thrown out you have to walk 10 miles back to the library. ;)

Actually there's probably some truth to that. We never had a "homeless problem"*, but we were a considerable distance (7-10 miles) from where a good chunk of the homeless population existed.

stifle May 10, 2011 2:24 am

You said:

Originally Posted by Affection (Post 16353167)
Refusing to present ID is never a crime.

I replied

Originally Posted by stifle (Post 16353662)
It can be in certain states/countries, or for certain classes of people in certain states and countries. Arizona, Indiana, and Ohio would be examples.

And then:

Originally Posted by Affection (Post 16353965)
No, it can't. You can add Florida and New York to your list of states that have statutes requiring you to be in possession of an ID card, however all of these statutes have been invalidated by the US Supreme Court. No US citizen may ever be forced to present ID while anywhere in the US. Ever.

I'll yield to your superior knowledge of US law, but I stand by my calling you out on your message. Your reply post limited it to US citizens in the USA, which may be true (I don't know). Your original post was

Originally Posted by Affection (Post 16353167)
Refusing to present ID is never a crime.

which is demonstrably false (counterexamples including aliens in many US states, everyone in Germany).

America is not the world.

Affection May 10, 2011 3:46 am

Germany still has not learned that "Where are your papers?" makes for bad PR?

This thread was relevant to American law, as was my reply, but yes, other countries are not bound by the US Supreme Court. :) That said, despite spending ~2 months per year abroad, the only time I've ever been asked for my ID by a government official in a foreign country, besides for transportation/immigrations/etc., was when a police officer told me I couldn't drink vodka on the streets of St. Petersburg (which was a surprise to me... I thought it would be viewed the same as a water bottle in Russia... who knew??). I do know that being "the wrong color" can increase your odds in many countries, though.


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 16358846)
which is demonstrably false (counterexamples including aliens in many US states, everyone in Germany).

America is not the world.

--Jon

Global_Hi_Flyer May 10, 2011 8:30 am


Originally Posted by barbell (Post 16357876)
You've obviously never been to ATL.

And a couple overseas. I've seen homeless at a couple of small (general aviation) airports.


Originally Posted by CitizenTerrorist (Post 16357894)
Because you have to walk probably 10 miles to the airport. And if you get thrown out you have to walk 10 miles back to the library. ;)

Actually there's probably some truth to that. We never had a "homeless problem"*, but we were a considerable distance (7-10 miles) from where a good chunk of the homeless population existed.

Most US airports are not in the city nor do they have public transportation readily available. That makes it much, much harder to be attractive to the homeless.

bajajoes May 10, 2011 4:42 pm

Question About ID Number?
 
:) I ONLY carry ID when driving as I no longer fly inside the U.S.
I was wondering what happens if a LEO legitimately wants to see ID
(which I don't carry) BUT I tell them I can provide the DL# if you want to pull up the info and photo on the computer.
My logic says that should work but many have found that their rules depend on how they feel at any given moment.
Thoughts about this....anyone.:D

SWCPHX May 10, 2011 6:08 pm


Originally Posted by bajajoes (Post 16363069)
:) I ONLY carry ID when driving as I no longer fly inside the U.S.
I was wondering what happens if a LEO legitimately wants to see ID
(which I don't carry) BUT I tell them I can provide the DL# if you want to pull up the info and photo on the computer.
My logic says that should work but many have found that their rules depend on how they feel at any given moment.
Thoughts about this....anyone.:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
You'd be fine with that. Others will tell you that you don't have to provide an ID card nor are you required to carry one, and they're right. However, in the jurisdictions that have a requirement that you identify yourself to an officer, they will do exactly what you described. They'll either run you on the in car MDT or ask their dispatcher to do it for them.

Good Guy May 10, 2011 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by bajajoes (Post 16363069)
:) I ONLY carry ID when driving as I no longer fly inside the U.S.
I was wondering what happens if a LEO legitimately wants to see ID
(which I don't carry) BUT I tell them I can provide the DL# if you want to pull up the info and photo on the computer.
My logic says that should work but many have found that their rules depend on how they feel at any given moment.
Thoughts about this....anyone.:D

Honestly, as a LEO, I am surprised when someone actually has their ID on them. Normally, I ask for ID, they say they don't have it, I ask for their name and DOB. One quick NCIC check later and they are either on their way or in handcuffs.


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