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The TSA isnt about security, its about training the public to be obediant.
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Originally Posted by Saitek
(Post 16217209)
The TSA isnt about security, its about training the public to be obediant.
I used to think it was because people were clueless because they had just never seen it happen. The Kettle's fly once every couple of years, don't get patted down and think we're crying about nothing. Then videos of children being aggressively groped surface and they see what is going on AND STILL SUPPORT IT???? Seriously? You have no problem with strangers sticking their hands in children's pants? |
I think then it goes into the territory of "at least it aint me" (my family). Which isn't any better, actually. But truly the definition of herd mentality. The outliers get eaten, so let me just huddle up into the herd and be safe.
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Originally Posted by jcwoman
(Post 16217289)
I think then it goes into the territory of "at least it aint me" (my family). Which isn't any better, actually. But truly the definition of herd mentality. The outliers get eaten, so let me just huddle up into the herd and be safe.
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Originally Posted by jfunk138
(Post 16217261)
Why is it so hard to get this point across to people? Honestly I'm shocked at the number of people who think it is a good thing this poor girl received the groping.
I used to think it was because people were clueless because they had just never seen it happen. The Kettle's fly once every couple of years, don't get patted down and think we're crying about nothing. Then videos of children being aggressively groped surface and they see what is going on AND STILL SUPPORT IT???? Seriously? You have no problem with strangers sticking their hands in children's pants? It has been a wildly successful campaign. |
If all you want to do is take out an airplane full of passengers, it would be much easier to recruit an airport or airline employee to plant a device. Children are too likely to go off mission ;).
The level of screening staff receives borders on the ludicrous - at the last four airports I have used, it appeared to be less than it was before the Gulf War...THE FIRST ONE! |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16216432)
Google is your friend. Don't take my word for it, do some research on what actual security professionals think of the 3-1-1 rule - and other nonsensical rules the TSA uses.
Clearly, TSA believes that extremely small quantitites of substances present a clear and present danger to commercial air travel. It is that fundamental belief that leads to both the 100ml limit on (most) liquids and the use of highly invasive screenings (whether AIT or "enhanced" pat-downs). So, TSA's use of enhanced patdowns on children is completely consistent with its approach to securing commercial air travel. Whether that approach is appropriate is another question entirely. |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 16218725)
Clearly, TSA believes that extremely small quantitites of substances present a clear and present danger to commercial air travel. It is that fundamental belief that leads to both the 100ml limit on (most) liquids and the use of highly invasive screenings (whether AIT or "enhanced" pat-downs).
Claiming that small quantities of substances present a threat seems to be a really good way to claim the authority to perform searches for those small quantities, further increasing the granularity of the "administrative search." They don't have to believe it. They just have to claim it, and the sheeple follow along - including the sheeple in the blue shirts who're doing the actual dirty work. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16218851)
They don't have to believe it. They just have to claim it, and the sheeple follow along - including the sheeple in the blue shirts who're doing the actual dirty work.
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 16219361)
I tend to think this is a case where Hanlon's Razor applies ... but your mileage may vary. :)
In this case, enough stupidium to qualify the TSA's actions for Hanlon's Razor would have collapsed into a black hole already. |
Within TSA there is so much malice and stupidity there is no need to attempt to apply logic. The entire organization defies logic and sensible security process.
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Originally Posted by unLogical
(Post 16216915)
I am just saying that it could happen. Nothing more.
Let's try to keep some perspective, shall we ? |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 16219520)
Your next flight could be hit by a meteorite or collide with a piece of falling space junk. Among other things far more likely than a 6 year old carrying sheet explosive.
Let's try to keep some perspective, shall we ? |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16215230)
...and "sheet explosive attacks" on US-originated flights have been attempted... how many times? Let's see... nothing into nothing... carry the nothing... divide by nothing..
I trust I have made my point.
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16215230)
Probably because while a square foot of sheet explosive might be able to "do a lot of damage," it's still unlikely to take the plane down. Might have a couple of passengers and a flight attendant or two pass out when they don't get their masks on fast enough, though.
It's simply not a credible threat.
Originally Posted by unLogical
(Post 16216547)
I said that kids could hide enough material to pose a threat, I did not say they were a threat.
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The number one reason terrorists won't use children to carry explosives through a checkpoint, is because it would be so much easier for them to just pack the explosives in condoms and swallow them along with a small detonator. They could then walk strait through the strip search scanner unmolested while the TSA was distracted feeling up some 6 year old.
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