Barefoot on airplane = threatened with arrest
#46
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Personally, I remove my shoes when the double chime goes off for the electronics. I put them on at the double-chime on descent (or sooner), and if I go to the lav (or just walk up and down the aisle). Safety issue; I want to get the hell out of the plane fast enough in case we need to evacuate, and I do not want to be a hindrance.
As for the OP: now that's it's been exposed as an AA CoC, it really boils down to whether you want to complain about the source of this. In other words, are there bigger fish to fry? Also, is whether an FA's cited source (AA CoC or FAA) is really worth it to complain? Personally, I'd actually be a little happy that the FA is that rigid on safety. Again, boils down to whether you want to complain about the citation.
Don't know if the OP regularly gives feedback to AA (commendations or complaints), but another thing to remember is that you probably don't want to be seen as a chronic complainer (not accusing, just something to consider for big picture purposes).
As for the OP: now that's it's been exposed as an AA CoC, it really boils down to whether you want to complain about the source of this. In other words, are there bigger fish to fry? Also, is whether an FA's cited source (AA CoC or FAA) is really worth it to complain? Personally, I'd actually be a little happy that the FA is that rigid on safety. Again, boils down to whether you want to complain about the citation.
Don't know if the OP regularly gives feedback to AA (commendations or complaints), but another thing to remember is that you probably don't want to be seen as a chronic complainer (not accusing, just something to consider for big picture purposes).
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I've noticed that part in the CofC about barefoot for a long time, but certainly wouldn't interpret it in the way it seems to have been. First of all, it says they have the right to remove you if you're "barefoot", not that you can't be barefoot (the difference is nontrivial). Second, I've interpreted that to mean coming onto a plane without shoes, not taking them off for some period of time.
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I rather think it's other people that may perhaps have a problem with the barefoot thing. I do, if they are going to be lifted off the ground for any reason. A couple of years ago, I recall sitting in my seat working away on my computer when I felt something touching the back of my arm just above the elbow. I turned and it was the undersole of the right foot of the passenger sitting behind me, who had decided to put his feet up. Slight altercation ensued when I asked him to either move his feet or have them smashed with a laptop battery. But all ended well.
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I rather think it's other people that may perhaps have a problem with the barefoot thing. I do, if they are going to be lifted off the ground for any reason. A couple of years ago, I recall sitting in my seat working away on my computer when I felt something touching the back of my arm just above the elbow. I turned and it was the undersole of the right foot of the passenger sitting behind me, who had decided to put his feet up. Slight altercation ensued when I asked him to either move his feet or have them smashed with a laptop battery. But all ended well.
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If the FA did indeed quote a non-existent FAA regulation, that in itself is cause enough for complaint. But it happens all the time and I very much doubt that AA cares.
I'm not sure that the threat of being 'met' upon arrival is tantamount to a threat of arrest, unless that actual word was used. Interfering with a crew member in the execution of their duties is a FAR violation (121.580):
No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated under this part.
Do it anyway.
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If you look at American Airlines Conditions of Carriage under "Acceptance of Passengers", you will find the following regulation:
American may refuse to transport you, or may remove you from your flight at any point, for one or several reasons, including but not limited to the following:
6. Your conduct is disorderly, abusive or violent, or you
g. are barefoot
http://bit.ly/f5M75u
American may refuse to transport you, or may remove you from your flight at any point, for one or several reasons, including but not limited to the following:
6. Your conduct is disorderly, abusive or violent, or you
g. are barefoot
http://bit.ly/f5M75u
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I'm pretty sure that FAA doesn't permit AA to remove a passenger from the plane after takeoff.
Up until that point, sure, they can refuse to take you on board, or remove you, for any reason whatsoever. If it's not one of a limited number of Really Good Reasons, they'll have to compensate you for it.
Up until that point, sure, they can refuse to take you on board, or remove you, for any reason whatsoever. If it's not one of a limited number of Really Good Reasons, they'll have to compensate you for it.
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I for one appreciate would appreciate the enforcement of decent standards of dress upon people who think it is fine to go barefoot, wear sweat shorts and wife beaters, and in general expose the rest of us to the lowest common denominator. Sitting beside bare feet and armpits is unpleasant. If you are coming from Africa and have never worn shoes, that is one thing (and I know refugees who have arrived in my city that way).
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
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I for one appreciate would appreciate the enforcement of decent standards of dress upon people who think it is fine to go barefoot, wear sweat shorts and wife beaters, and in general expose the rest of us to the lowest common denominator. Sitting beside bare feet and armpits is unpleasant. If you are coming from Africa and have never worn shoes, that is one thing (and I know refugees who have arrived in my city that way).
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
As much as I would love to not have to deal with seeing what I see on airplanes, I do recognize that it is "public" transportation being run by a private company. If someone's dress offends me I just pull out my book or put on a movie. If an airline decided to chastise me for my choice of clothing it would be the last time they would ever get my business again.
There are some roads one should just not go down.
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Wow, adding a barefoot clause to the CoC? That is pretty odd. Somehow I think the point of that clause was to prevent customers from flying who are boarding the aircraft without shoes - not those who board with shoes and then remove them during flight.
The FA was being a b**** and needs to be reported nonetheless.
The FA was being a b**** and needs to be reported nonetheless.
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I would be very careful to walk into the loo without shoes as once I saw a piece of poo on the w/c floor on an airplane wich was no easily visible. You must have been really luck so far.
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I for one appreciate would appreciate the enforcement of decent standards of dress upon people who think it is fine to go barefoot, wear sweat shorts and wife beaters, and in general expose the rest of us to the lowest common denominator. Sitting beside bare feet and armpits is unpleasant. If you are coming from Africa and have never worn shoes, that is one thing (and I know refugees who have arrived in my city that way).
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
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I disagree - even after recently suffering on a AA regional jet with an extremely pungent body odor, I believe there is WAY too much room for an airline to get itself into an unenforceable debacle that would turn into a PR nightmare.
As much as I would love to not have to deal with seeing what I see on airplanes, I do recognize that it is "public" transportation being run by a private company. If someone's dress offends me I just pull out my book or put on a movie. If an airline decided to chastise me for my choice of clothing it would be the last time they would ever get my business again.
There are some roads one should just not go down.
As much as I would love to not have to deal with seeing what I see on airplanes, I do recognize that it is "public" transportation being run by a private company. If someone's dress offends me I just pull out my book or put on a movie. If an airline decided to chastise me for my choice of clothing it would be the last time they would ever get my business again.
There are some roads one should just not go down.
But I do not understand why you see requiring passengers to wear shoes and sleeves as an infringement on personal liberty. There is plenty of room for
personal choice in what to wear within that minimum standard of decency.
Don't see how flight attendants could abuse that, since you either have on shoes and sleeves or you don't.
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I for one appreciate would appreciate the enforcement of decent standards of dress upon people who think it is fine to go barefoot, wear sweat shorts and wife beaters, and in general expose the rest of us to the lowest common denominator. Sitting beside bare feet and armpits is unpleasant. If you are coming from Africa and have never worn shoes, that is one thing (and I know refugees who have arrived in my city that way).
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
But some barefoot clown showing off his personal style? Check that.
Companies and society makes broad rules for the safety of everybody, including the offender. I see many, many, many feet with open ulcers, with active (contagious) infections, bacteria and fungus, or slight release of blood. Making a blanket rule protects us all from having to walk in slightly bloody carpets, or making the carpet more of a cesspool of bacteria.
If the rule isn't there, then it would have to be MORE of a case-by-case which is potentially more offensive, TXagogo. I mean, there are some feet I could show you, and that I see every day in clinical practice, that you would always want covered, and I would say is medically necessary to be covered. 99% of people would agree with those feet. The feet of the 19 year old college female volleyball team might not be like that.
However, rather than turn FA's into foot inspection patrol, they make a blanket rule. I agree with it. The vast majority of reasonable people agree with it.
Don't waste your energy on stupid battles like that (whether AA or FAA), but concentrate on important, actual civil liberties, such as the body scanners.
I would agree with you if the FA said you had to put on a long sleeve shirt, etc. But, this simply is not the case, and to compare the two is nonsensical hyperbole.