Flyer at SAN says no to grope, escorted from checkpoint by LEO, threatened with suit
Nov 13, 2010, 7:56 pm
#46
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This is ridiculous. I might take my chances of getting an invasive search for myself for work travel but would not take that chance with my daughter if we can't even leave if it becomes offensive.
Nov 13, 2010, 8:03 pm
#47
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He told me that their procedures are on their website, and therefore, I was fully informed before I entered the airport; I had implicitly agreed to whatever screening they deemed appropriate.
Does it really say on the TSA website that you must be fully screened once you enter the area? I posted in another thread the following from the TSA:
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1049.shtm
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1567.shtm
That sure implies to me that you can decide at any point to leave.
Does it really say on the TSA website that you must be fully screened once you enter the area? I posted in another thread the following from the TSA:
If you refuse to be screened at any point during the screening process, the Security Officer will deny you entry beyond the screening area. You will not be able to fly.
If a personal search is required you may choose to remain in the public area or go to a private area for your screening. If you refuse either option you will not be able to fly.
That sure implies to me that you can decide at any point to leave.
Nov 13, 2010, 8:26 pm
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Hopefully this 'rule' will be challenged in the courts soon. I am not a lawyer, but I am wondering at the constitutionality of it. I mean, I can see them agreeing that a private industry can make you comply with their screening policies to get into the terminal, but it just seems wrong to me that they can force you to comply to unknown policies just for walking into an area. Really? There has got to be a lawsuit eventually.
What's happened here is that the despots at TSA have upped the ante to include strip searches (both virtual & real) and gropes/frisks/sexual assualts as part of the so-called administrative search and are trying to pretend it's just business as usual. They are finding out just how wrong they are.
He did not leave, he was escorted out by several TSA personnel & a law enforcement officer.
Last edited by MikeMpls; Nov 13, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Nov 14, 2010, 1:21 am
#49
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http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobet...t-TSA-Pat-Down
Saw this reading the local news and lo and behold, there's already a thread here about it!
Saw this reading the local news and lo and behold, there's already a thread here about it!
Nov 14, 2010, 3:14 am
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http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobet...t-TSA-Pat-Down
Saw this reading the local news and lo and behold, there's already a thread here about it!
Saw this reading the local news and lo and behold, there's already a thread here about it!
Nov 14, 2010, 3:31 am
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Great writeup on the local San Diego newspaper's web site. Looks very direct and factual.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...sing-security/
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...sing-security/
Nov 14, 2010, 4:01 am
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Looks like its starting to go viral. Over 500 comments on his site when they had 35 about 8 hours ago - wow!
Also on reddit with near to 2000 comments
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/c...d_said_if_you/
Story appearing in mainstream news as well.
Also on reddit with near to 2000 comments
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/c...d_said_if_you/
Story appearing in mainstream news as well.
Last edited by oldjonesy; Nov 14, 2010 at 4:27 am
Nov 14, 2010, 4:34 am
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I just want to comment on the TSO's comment "You gave up your rights when you bought your ticket".
UM when I buy a ticket, I do not se anything in any airlines CoC that states "Once you purchase your ticket, you hereby give up all of your rights protected by the Constitution of the United States of America or any other documents."
So, no, you do not give up your rights when you buy your ticket, the Constitution protects us from ourselves, others, AND THE GOVERNMENT!
Ah, I feel better now!
UM when I buy a ticket, I do not se anything in any airlines CoC that states "Once you purchase your ticket, you hereby give up all of your rights protected by the Constitution of the United States of America or any other documents."
So, no, you do not give up your rights when you buy your ticket, the Constitution protects us from ourselves, others, AND THE GOVERNMENT!
Ah, I feel better now!
Nov 14, 2010, 4:41 am
#54
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I just want to comment on the TSO's comment "You gave up your rights when you bought your ticket".
UM when I buy a ticket, I do not se anything in any airlines CoC that states "Once you purchase your ticket, you hereby give up all of your rights protected by the Constitution of the United States of America or any other documents."
So, no, you do not give up your rights when you buy your ticket, the Constitution protects us from ourselves, others, AND THE GOVERNMENT!
Ah, I feel better now!
UM when I buy a ticket, I do not se anything in any airlines CoC that states "Once you purchase your ticket, you hereby give up all of your rights protected by the Constitution of the United States of America or any other documents."
So, no, you do not give up your rights when you buy your ticket, the Constitution protects us from ourselves, others, AND THE GOVERNMENT!
Ah, I feel better now!
Nov 14, 2010, 4:43 am
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It would be BS anyhow - on a par with "no refunds" for faulty goods - which is a pretty good description of the TSA / DHS nightmare.
Nov 14, 2010, 4:50 am
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Just finished reading the comments on the original site. Dear lord there are some really, really idiotic and plain stupid people out there, ain't there?
Someone else hoped he dies in an explosion next time he gets on a plane.
I'd rather be "groped" as you call it than die horrifically in an explosion after a 50 000 foot free fall.
Also I'm pretty sure that filming airport security is a crime. If they take you to court what are you going to say? "They wanted to search me and I refused and then I filmed thier secruity gaurds" Sounds like a terrorist to me.
Also I'm pretty sure that filming airport security is a crime. If they take you to court what are you going to say? "They wanted to search me and I refused and then I filmed thier secruity gaurds" Sounds like a terrorist to me.
Nov 14, 2010, 7:14 am
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Help for civil law suits
Found this video and website for those who might need legal help:
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http://www.rutherford.org/
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Nov 14, 2010, 7:53 am
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This will be a GREAT 4th Amendment lawsuit, assuming that ACLU and others decide to pursue it to USSC instead of settling. Unfortunatly the wimps over at ACLU choose to settle, like they did with Bierfeldt.
Nov 14, 2010, 7:58 am
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Nov 14, 2010, 8:15 am
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I think it is really weak from the TSO just to say" Read all our rules on our website".
A lot of people still dont have a computer. And even less know how to look things up. Or even know that they are supposed to look things up.
There is no law that says that passengers even have to get more info or even info from internet.
All they need really to know is on the tickets and other paperwork that comes with the purchase .
And it doesnt say any where on the ticket that you give up your rights to your body . And that you now have to let TSO touch you. That is just crap.
A lot of people still dont have a computer. And even less know how to look things up. Or even know that they are supposed to look things up.
There is no law that says that passengers even have to get more info or even info from internet.
All they need really to know is on the tickets and other paperwork that comes with the purchase .
And it doesnt say any where on the ticket that you give up your rights to your body . And that you now have to let TSO touch you. That is just crap.