ACLU quesitioning enhanced patdowns
Aug 30, 2010, 8:33 am
#166
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Asked my wife if she got patdowns on her just-ended European trip. She said she did. I asked was it the front or back of the hand. She said front. So this pat-with-palm thing isn't that novel. Doesn't seem to have bothered her either. Not like having her scissors trashed at CDG. Either she's getting numbed from her frequent trips or maybe it isn't as bad a deal as portrayed. She's not exactly a lover of authority, but she doesn't have issues with it, either.
Aug 30, 2010, 8:37 am
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Aug 30, 2010, 8:44 am
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As far as I know the AFSD is not at every checkpoint so if my understanding of the chain of command at TSA is even slightly correct what you stated above is just not true.
Care to clarify?
Aug 30, 2010, 10:06 am
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I assumed that was why she wasn't complaining. In fact, she was more pleased with Amsterdam by comparison with Paris. I was glad it turned out that way. Her first post-9/11 security experience in Europe was in CDG and it wasn't good. So I was hoping she'd find that didn't represent all of Europe.
Aug 30, 2010, 10:13 am
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I and many others have said here many times that airport security outside the US tends to be much more professional.
As to the scissors, note that while they may be permitted by TSA, not every security agency follows the same rules. CATSA and EU rules differ from TSA rules, so it is prudent for travellers to learn those rules and to be prepared to follow them. I adjust my carry on packing depending on my routes and destinations.
Scissors with short blades ARE removed in certain countries.
As to the scissors, note that while they may be permitted by TSA, not every security agency follows the same rules. CATSA and EU rules differ from TSA rules, so it is prudent for travellers to learn those rules and to be prepared to follow them. I adjust my carry on packing depending on my routes and destinations.
Scissors with short blades ARE removed in certain countries.
Aug 30, 2010, 11:02 am
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Have just sent messages to my Congressional Representative and Senators.
Probably won't do any good but incumbets are feeling some heat this year.
Will call their local offices in a couple of days as a follow up.
Probably won't do any good but incumbets are feeling some heat this year.
Will call their local offices in a couple of days as a follow up.
Aug 30, 2010, 12:17 pm
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Would you care to elaborate what part of your posts are SSI and whether or not the release was authorized by TSA? It appears you are either posting SSI information without TSA authorization or improperly marking information as SSI when it is not. I would guess both are violations of 49 CFR Part 1520.
Try going to FRA. Günther has juggled more balls than a circus clown.
I understand the reticence of an individual screener of integrity and conscience to take a stand, but it would only take one prepared to do so. Consult an attorney beforehand, co-ordinate a media blitz and have the 'firing' recorded. That person would be a true patriot and likely garner accolades for doing so. Might even get a better job offer @:-) .
Aug 30, 2010, 1:07 pm
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Much as I cannot stand the FRA experience, Brunhilde has never come near my crotch, much less felt it or attempted any other such intimate manoeuver. Nor have any of the female screeners in the rest of Europe or in Asia where I have travelled.
Based on the numerous poor reports from PHL of how women are treated during a 'normal' TSA patdown, I am awaiting the first female report of the enhanced pat downs and where the fingers or hands ended up.
Based on the numerous poor reports from PHL of how women are treated during a 'normal' TSA patdown, I am awaiting the first female report of the enhanced pat downs and where the fingers or hands ended up.
Aug 30, 2010, 4:19 pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance
Anybody here had their crotch groped? No, I didn't go that far.
Try going to FRA. Günther has juggled more balls than a circus clown.
Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance
Anybody here had their crotch groped? No, I didn't go that far.
Try going to FRA. Günther has juggled more balls than a circus clown.
Aug 30, 2010, 4:50 pm
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The difference here is that she was going through Customs and Immigration.
Aug 30, 2010, 9:59 pm
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Aug 30, 2010, 11:57 pm
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Aug 31, 2010, 9:38 am
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Would you care to elaborate what part of your posts are SSI and whether or not the release was authorized by TSA? It appears you are either posting SSI information without TSA authorization or improperly marking information as SSI when it is not. I would guess both are violations of 49 CFR Part 1520.
This "joke" makes me seriously question his credibility. YYMV. I guess I shouldn't expect any more from the TSA.
Aug 31, 2010, 3:03 pm
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The rights and liberties of a US Citizen entering and exiting another country are a lot different than a US Citizen travelling within the US.