Nude-O-Scope Opt Out Stories [merged]


Old Nov 5, 10, 4:35 pm
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IAH, Terminal B - 3NOV10

I last had flown out of IAH Terminal B in the second week of October and noticed that they had finally erected plexiglas walls to enclose the security checkpoint (doing away with the old Tensabarrier). At that time, there were still 3 or 4 WTMD at the checkpoint.

When I flew out this past Wednesday, though, the checkpoint now consists of two WTMDs (one of which was reserved for handicap and special needs use only) and two MMW machines. Fortunately, once you get past the credential check, there are a couple of lane choices defined by Tensabarrier that you can choose to use one machine or the other up front. It is not made clear at that point, however, that you are choosing one machine or the other, you have to pay attention when using the checkpoint to see where your lane actually goes. I was able to avoid them by choosing wisely. I did not see any signage indicating the ability to opt-out where you would have been able to make that decision (i.e. immediately after the credential check).

CVG, Terminal 2 - 5NOV10

My return flight to Houston offered another opportunity to avoid the attack of the body scanners. The security checkpoint immediately behind the Continental/United/US Air check-in desks in Terminal 2 offers a single WTMD and a backscatter X-ray machine. I passed through this checkpoint early in the morning and it wasn't busy, so avoiding the NoS was a simple matter of lining up my stuff on the bag scanner line by the WTMD, though I did see some people going through the backscatter machine as I was putting my shoes back on. Again I noticed the lack of signage indicating the ability to opt-out.
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Old Nov 5, 10, 4:38 pm
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Did my first opt-out today at PIT (up until this week, the FC/Preferred lines didn't lead to a NoS...TSA moved the line so that FC/Preferreds are now funneled into one).

Experience was professional and semi-intrusive (no full on groping but still...).

WTMD was fully functional. And to the 25 or so people behind me who got to use it instead of the Nos...you're welcome!

I will continue to opt out. Maybe even let me pants actually fall down next time.
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Old Nov 5, 10, 6:27 pm
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A great fear has arisen within my still confused thought process. (Blame the meds.)

As I read through these comments and those in other threads, they are turning toward, "Oh, that was not so bad" and similar sentiments.

It may not be that they are humiliating.

They really may not be painful.

The screeners may be polite, even friendly.

The process may be well defined, okay its not but let's say it is.

They may be improving procedures to make it quicker.

Folks! They are training us. And they are being successful. We are being converted.

Never, ever forget.
  1. Let me take a picture of you naked.
  2. If you do not, I get to rub you down like a common criminal under suspicion for a serious crime.
  3. And if you do not like it, I have you removed from the airport, and you lose your money and your time for today.
It is not how they do it.

It is that they are doing it!

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Old Nov 6, 10, 1:58 am
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Old Nov 6, 10, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by UshuaiaHammerfest View Post
Did they use their open front of the hand? Or back of the hand? Was there genital contact?
Excerpt from Washington State law (RCW 7.90.010) regarding sexual assault:

(1) "Nonconsensual" means a lack of freely given agreement

(4) "Sexual conduct" means any of the following:

(a) Any intentional or knowing touching or fondling of the genitals, anus, or breasts, directly or indirectly, including through clothing

It seems that TSA is saying that in order to be allowed to board an aircraft you may be sexually assaulted (as legally defined above), e.g. intentionally touched on your genitals through your clothing without your consent, by TSA personnel. If this is not the case (i.e., that TSA specifically does not allow any touching of genital areas) then TSA should clearly state this in writing. I have been unable to locate such a statement by them.
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Old Nov 6, 10, 2:33 pm
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How about turning yourself in for solicitation? You are paying $10 to be groped.

/sarcasm
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Old Nov 6, 10, 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by LV702 View Post
How about turning yourself in for solicitation? You are paying $10 to be groped.

/sarcasm
Actually we're a lot cheaper than that. It's only $2.50 for a single-segment grope or $5.00 for a multi-segment grope that's usually valid all day.

$10.00 is the maximum for a multi-day/multi-segment grope.
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Old Nov 6, 10, 3:49 pm
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Wow, this was quite a revelation for me on Monday. If have only been flying intl since August and the basement diamond lane at IAD is WTMD. Hopefully, it will stay that way.....

At BOS (US Air Shuttle) there was only one lane open and the only option was Nudeoscope. I refused. I got a pretty thorough pat down, which I didn't enjoy much, but it was pretty quick at least.

This is bloody well outrageous.
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Old Nov 6, 10, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeMpls View Post
Actually we're a lot cheaper than that. It's only $2.50 for a single-segment grope or $5.00 for a multi-segment grope that's usually valid all day.

$10.00 is the maximum for a multi-day/multi-segment grope.
Regardless, unless you're in certain counties in Nevada, solicitation is illegal. Should turn ourselves in at the airport.
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Old Nov 7, 10, 9:28 am
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I opted out at IND a week ago. As gropes go, it was okay, but it seemed designed to be public shaming for disobedience.

I politely said, "I need to opt out" and was quietly told to stand right behind the radiation machine while we waited for a female to be available.

I could see my stuff causing a pileup in the X-ray belt, but I wasn't allowed to get anything and no one got it for me. I could see the bin that my Macbook was in but couldn't see the actual computer, so I spent the entire time watching that bin to make sure the computer never left it.

When the female TSO came, we moved away from the machine to a very public area, in full view of other passengers. I was intent on watching the Macbook bin so wasn't aware of the audience's reaction during the search, but afterwards another traveler told me with anger that the process was "ridiculous." I don't know if she had gotten groped herself or was upset that I had been searched so thoroughly in public.

The female TSO was polite and a little apologetic. I'm not shy about my body but even for me it was uncomfortable to have a stranger drag her hands across and under my breasts while other strangers watched. My top was just a t-shirt because the TSOs had told me to remove my vest.

While I was getting my stuff, an elderly French-speaking man was getting ruder treatment. He didn't understand English and went into the machine with things in his pockets. "Multiple anomalies!" a TSO bellowed. "We need a pat-down!" The little old guy stood looking confused and completely harmless while annoyed TSOs barked loud commands at him, apparently thinking he would understand English if they yelled it. It was ugly and shaming. Finally a traveler (family member?) who spoke French came up to help and the TSOs calmed down.

Even though my TSO was polite, the process itself appears to be designed as intentional public humiliation.
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Old Nov 7, 10, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Cat1099 View Post

Even though my TSO was polite, the process itself appears to be designed as intentional public humiliation.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

And, in that analysis you would be quite correct.
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Old Nov 7, 10, 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Cat1099 View Post
I opted out at IND a week ago. As gropes go, it was okay, but it seemed designed to be public shaming for disobedience.
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The female TSO was polite and a little apologetic. I'm not shy about my body but even for me it was uncomfortable to have a stranger drag her hands across and under my breasts while other strangers watched.
The TSO should have offered you a private screening; keep that in mind as an option in the future should you desire.

Personally tho, I'd never go into a room with those guys out of the view of others. I don't know the people that would take me into the back so I have no reason to trust them. Most people are decent and normal, but there are a few that are dangerous animals and psychopaths. The Standford Prison Experiment and Abu Ghraib demonstrated that that even average citizens can quickly become sadistic when given power over others. Not knowing who I'm dealing with, I'll keep in public view and endure the punishment.

Hopefully some of the other passengers that witness these searched begin to realize how far out-of-control TSA has gotten.
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Old Nov 7, 10, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy View Post
I'd never go into a room with those guys out of the view of others. I don't know the people that would take me into the back so I have no reason to trust them...I'll keep in public view and endure the punishment. Hopefully some of the other passengers that witness these searches begin to realize how far out-of-control TSA has gotten.
I feel the same way. I'd want witnesses to anything that might happen.
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Old Nov 7, 10, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Cat1099 View Post
the process itself appears to be designed as intentional public humiliation.
I call it the "retaliatory grope."
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Old Nov 7, 10, 5:15 pm
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Given the choice of an "enhanced" pat-down versus the body scanner, why would anyone opt for the "enhanced" pat-down? The body scanner seems so much nicer as no one has to touch you.
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