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IslandBased Aug 7, 2010 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by Critic (Post 14439877)
That makes no bloody sense at all. Wasn't the (supposed) stated purpose of choosing the quart-sized bag to limit the amount of liquid/gel a pax could take on board? Wouldn't choosing a SMALLER bag be BETTER, because the PAX is intentionally limiting themselves FURTHER?

Would a one liter ziplock cause a problem? :eek:

It might be interesting to see the reaction to a one quart ziplock that was oval or round instead of rectangular.

Boggie Dog Aug 7, 2010 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by Critic (Post 14439877)
That makes no bloody sense at all. Wasn't the (supposed) stated purpose of choosing the quart-sized bag to limit the amount of liquid/gel a pax could take on board? Wouldn't choosing a SMALLER bag be BETTER, because the PAX is intentionally limiting themselves FURTHER?

Also, FYI, the Blistex doesn't have to go in the kippie bag. There's an exception for lip balm.


TSA and commense sense are two things that never come together.

polonius Aug 8, 2010 5:49 am

I'm sure I posted this before, but I will post it again given all the travellers here reporting getting "yelled at" for wrong size kippie, etc.

I have NEVER once put my liquids into a kippie. Ever. I was apparently on the watch list for many years because I always got SSSS, until about two years ago when I got my congressperson to intervene. Obviously, with their SSSS search they always saw my toothpaste, deodorants, lotions, sun block, José Cuervo miniatures, etc. etc., but I never once have had anyone say a word.

eyecue Aug 8, 2010 8:55 am


Originally Posted by BH62 (Post 14434416)
Perhaps too much time on my hands, but got to wondering about the little plastic baggie rules. Suppose I show up at screening w/ stuff in 1 1-pint bag or, carrying this a bit further, 2 1-pint bags, e.g., 2pts=1qt. What response from TSA?

Thats not metric :D
On the other hand if you have the original containers then you are fine. What I mean is dont take a pint of loose shampoo in a baggie and expect to make it.

BH62 Aug 9, 2010 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 14442503)
Thats not metric :D
On the other hand if you have the original containers then you are fine. What I mean is dont take a pint of loose shampoo in a baggie and expect to make it.

OP here: thanx for the comment. What I meant to say is that suppose you do have a number of "legal-sized" original containers (<3.4 oz?) that would fit into a one-pint bag or if you used 2 one-pint bags rather than a one-quart bag, what would be the reaction? Apparently, this is a YMMV situation. But apparently a smaller plastic baggie may lie outside some standard protocol (note the redundacy between "standard" & "protocol") ... but I digress.

jbdk Aug 9, 2010 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by Critic (Post 14439877)
That makes no bloody sense at all. Wasn't the (supposed) stated purpose of choosing the quart-sized bag to limit the amount of liquid/gel a pax could take on board? Wouldn't choosing a SMALLER bag be BETTER, because the PAX is intentionally limiting themselves FURTHER?

Also, FYI, the Blistex doesn't have to go in the kippie bag. There's an exception for lip balm.

Well.. this was LAX. Anything goes at LAX.

The only consistency with airport security, it is inconsistent.

BubbaLoop Aug 9, 2010 2:01 pm

Actually, the baggie size is a major hassle for us non-US based persons. Even if 1 liter baggies are acceptable, they arenīt sold in volume around here, only by the size of their sides. I got someone at PV to state that 20 cm X 20 cm is the accepted size, but no square baggies are available in my local supermarket, and, obviously, volume is not the same with the same surface area, so I really donīt know if I could get by with the rectangular sizes available here. Interestingly, they have square 18 X 18 cm flip top baggies, but apparently those are not good enough for the TSA, because they need to be zip tops (why???).

I have been taking the same US-purchased baggie on trips to the US with me for a number of years, and it looks bad, all torn and the zip does not work properly. I refuse to look for a supermarket when there just to purchase a "regulation-sized" baggie. The whole situation is ridiculous.

iluv2fly Aug 9, 2010 2:45 pm

They had stacks of these bags at Terminal 1 LHR today. The gate monitor "reminds" everyone of the liquid restrictions. I picked up about two dozen of them. Thanks, BAA!

And when I connected through IAD today, I had three bags. (Who wants to throw away good amenities and minis?) Worked like a charm, but I was a bit fearful, as there was nobody behind me going through security since I got out of immigrations/customs very quickly.

And guess what, no planes fell from the sky this afternoon.

jkhuggins Aug 9, 2010 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by iluv2fly (Post 14450238)
And guess what, no planes fell from the sky this afternoon.

Actually, I think they all fell from the sky ... just in a controlled and orderly fashion. :cool:

VH-RMD Aug 10, 2010 3:42 am


Originally Posted by BH62 (Post 14449415)
OP here: thanx for the comment. What I meant to say is that suppose you do have a number of "legal-sized" original containers (<3.4 oz?) that would fit into a one-pint bag or if you used 2 one-pint bags rather than a one-quart bag, what would be the reaction? Apparently, this is a YMMV situation. But apparently a smaller plastic baggie may lie outside some standard protocol (note the redundacy between "standard" & "protocol") ... but I digress.


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 14449908)
Actually, the baggie size is a major hassle for us non-US based persons. Even if 1 liter baggies are acceptable, they arenīt sold in volume around here, only by the size of their sides. I got someone at PV to state that 20 cm X 20 cm is the accepted size, but no square baggies are available in my local supermarket, and, obviously, volume is not the same with the same surface area, so I really donīt know if I could get by with the rectangular sizes available here. Interestingly, they have square 18 X 18 cm flip top baggies, but apparently those are not good enough for the TSA, because they need to be zip tops (why???).

I have been taking the same US-purchased baggie on trips to the US with me for a number of years, and it looks bad, all torn and the zip does not work properly. I refuse to look for a supermarket when there just to purchase a "regulation-sized" baggie. The whole situation is ridiculous.

the automatons can only cope with their programmed functions, although they are allowed to 'interpret' those programs as they wish...:rolleyes:


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