Flyer “Processed” (Arrested?) in NM After Declining to Show ID
Jun 1, 2010, 1:15 pm
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In Officer Dilley's complaint, he accuses me of violating "30-20-1, 12-2-6, 12-2-19, 12-2-3 NMSA 1978".
Best I can tell, it seems that I was not charged with NMRC 30-22-3: Concealing identity, but with:
Best I can tell, it seems that I was not charged with NMRC 30-22-3: Concealing identity, but with:
Jun 1, 2010, 1:31 pm
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Thanks for catching that. I don't know what the problem is. If I follow those links on one machine, I'm taken directly to the relevant portions of Albuquerque Code of Ordinances Chapter 12: Criminal Code, and as I now see, on another machine, it doesn't work.
If you start at American Legal's Albuquerque, New Mexico Code Resources page and drill down from there, you'll find them. The shortest route seems to be to browse to that page, click the "no frames" button, then enter either 12-2-3, 12-2-16, or 12-2-19, in the search box. Using "quick search" in the framed version of the site doesn't seem to work the same way.
If you start at American Legal's Albuquerque, New Mexico Code Resources page and drill down from there, you'll find them. The shortest route seems to be to browse to that page, click the "no frames" button, then enter either 12-2-3, 12-2-16, or 12-2-19, in the search box. Using "quick search" in the framed version of the site doesn't seem to work the same way.
Jun 1, 2010, 11:10 pm
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Jun 2, 2010, 1:29 am
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Jun 2, 2010, 9:39 am
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Trial date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 9:30 a.m.
Court: Bernalillo County Metropolitan Court
Case number: CR 25737/09 (For details, go to the court's search page, complete the CAPTCHA, then search for criminal case 2573709)
Judge: Julie N. Altwies
Prosecutor: Julie Gallardo
Defense attorneys: Nancy Hollander, Molly Schmidt-Nowara
Charges:
- New Mexico Revised Code 30-20-1: Disorderly conduct
- Albuquerque Code of Ordinances 12-2-16: Concealing identity with intent to obstruct
- Albuquerque Code of Ordinances 12-2-19: Resisting, obstructing, or refusing to obey a lawful order of a police officer
- Albuquerque Code of Ordinances 12-2-3: Criminal trespass
Jun 2, 2010, 10:14 am
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Jun 2, 2010, 12:33 pm
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Are you using 'identify' here as a noun or as a verb? Forms of identity matter in these discussions but tend to be glossed over again and again due to co-mingling of authorities and identification requirements.
The method of identifying oneself to an LEO could take the possible forms:
LEO: I need some ID, please.
Pax: My name is [First name, MI, Last name]. What can I do for you officer?
LEO: I need some ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over DL, passport, student ID card, employee badge, other tangible non-frivolous form of identity. What can I do for you officer?
The method of identifying oneself to an TDO could take the possible forms:Pax: My name is [First name, MI, Last name]. What can I do for you officer?
LEO: I need some ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over DL, passport, student ID card, employee badge, other tangible non-frivolous form of identity. What can I do for you officer?
TDO: Boarding pass and ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass.) Unfortunately, I've forgotten my ID at home. I understand that if I undergo a secondary screening and you are able to verify my identity I am allowed to fly.
TDO: Yes. Let me call a someone over who can help you.
TDO: Boarding pass and ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass and DL, passport, student ID card or other tangible non-frivolous form of identity).
TDO: Thanks. Have a nice flight.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass.) Unfortunately, I've forgotten my ID at home. I understand that if I undergo a secondary screening and you are able to verify my identity I am allowed to fly.
TDO: Yes. Let me call a someone over who can help you.
TDO: Boarding pass and ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass and DL, passport, student ID card or other tangible non-frivolous form of identity).
TDO: Thanks. Have a nice flight.
Last edited by essxjay; Jun 2, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Jun 2, 2010, 1:14 pm
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FB,
Are you using 'identify' here as a noun or as a verb? Forms of identity matter in these discussions but tend to be glossed over again and again due to co-mingling of authorities and identification requirements.
The method of identifying oneself to an LEO could take the possible forms:
Are you using 'identify' here as a noun or as a verb? Forms of identity matter in these discussions but tend to be glossed over again and again due to co-mingling of authorities and identification requirements.
The method of identifying oneself to an LEO could take the possible forms:
LEO: I need some ID, please.
Pax: My name is [First name, MI, Last name]. What can I do for you officer?
LEO: I need some ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over DL, passport, student ID card, employee badge, other tangible non-frivolous form of identity. What can I do for you officer?
The method of identifying oneself to an TDO could take the possible forms:Pax: My name is [First name, MI, Last name]. What can I do for you officer?
LEO: I need some ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over DL, passport, student ID card, employee badge, other tangible non-frivolous form of identity. What can I do for you officer?
TDO: Boarding pass and ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass.) Unfortunately, I've forgotten my ID at home. I understand that if I undergo a secondary screening and you are able to verify my identity I am allowed to fly.
TDO: Yes. Let me call a someone over who can help you.
TDO: Boarding pass and ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass and DL, passport, student ID card or other tangible non-frivolous form of identity).
TDO: Thanks. Have a nice flight.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass.) Unfortunately, I've forgotten my ID at home. I understand that if I undergo a secondary screening and you are able to verify my identity I am allowed to fly.
TDO: Yes. Let me call a someone over who can help you.
TDO: Boarding pass and ID, please.
Pax: (Hands over boarding pass and DL, passport, student ID card or other tangible non-frivolous form of identity).
TDO: Thanks. Have a nice flight.
FB
Jun 2, 2010, 2:00 pm
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definitions of identify, identity, and identification
Jun 2, 2010, 4:31 pm
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I believe there were some that did, but laws with such a requirement have been held unconstitutional.
Last edited by RichardKenner; Jun 2, 2010 at 4:36 pm Reason: Typo.
Jun 2, 2010, 5:07 pm
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