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Nov 28, 2009, 3:48 am
#421
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Your America is not my America.
Our government has not had secret blacklists that deny people basic freedoms continuously since it's inception. When such things have happened (Red Scares, WWI, WWII Japanese-American interments), they have been heavily condemned by history and those agencies and individuals who have supported them have paid a price.
Our government has not had secret blacklists that deny people basic freedoms continuously since it's inception. When such things have happened (Red Scares, WWI, WWII Japanese-American interments), they have been heavily condemned by history and those agencies and individuals who have supported them have paid a price.
Nov 28, 2009, 4:19 am
#422
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Let's not Omni this thread. If the Germans had treated their "interments" like we did the Japanese interments there would not have been any hangings.
Dec 7, 2009, 8:46 pm
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So you find it acceptable for you not to be allowed into the secure area of airports, right? Guess you'll have to find another job.
Dec 7, 2009, 11:27 pm
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I'm sure that makes sense to you mate but... bit hard to work out what's going on in your mind there...
Dec 7, 2009, 11:46 pm
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Dec 8, 2009, 12:38 am
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Boggie Dog asked:
If such a list existed then I might have problems with it, depending on the class of people on the list. Suspected terrorists? Not one problem at all. I would prefer that they stay in their home towns and live their lives without ever harming or being given the chance of harming any innocent person.
In the United States, we're not supposed to punish people based on accusations, but that's just what Ron advocates. The rule of law, not the rule of men, is fundamental to our freedom. TSA should get past the idea of hassling people or completely barring them from air travel because someone secretly added them to a blacklist, and simply ensure that no one carries weapons, explosives, or incendiaries onto airplanes.
Dec 8, 2009, 6:22 am
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...We should not indefinitely restrict people's freedom of movement based on suspicion of previous wrongdoing, much less on suspicion of intent to do wrong in the future. Restricting their movement based on the fact that someone anonymously blacklisted them is unconscionable....
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Dec 8, 2009, 6:27 am
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I totally agree. If the government believes that someone has committed a crime, then that person should be arrested and tried for it. Restricting people's travel based on what the government thinks they might be planning to do in the future is reminiscent of "thought crime" in Orwell's 1984.
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Dec 8, 2009, 6:37 am
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In the United States, we're not supposed to punish people based on accusations, but that's just what Ron advocates. The rule of law, not the rule of men, is fundamental to our freedom. TSA should get past the idea of hassling people or completely barring them from air travel because someone secretly added them to a blacklist, and simply ensure that no one carries weapons, explosives, or incendiaries onto airplanes.
Dec 8, 2009, 7:19 am
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Given the current mood of the congress to engage in actions that further bring the populace under control of government I think we may be pushing rope when hoping for correction within DHS/TSA.