Flyer “Processed” (Arrested?) in NM After Declining to Show ID
Jan 31, 2011, 11:37 pm
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Yeah, but other than THAT, his story was accurate, right? 
(I mean, he was "on duty" "in uniform" "with a badge" "at Albuquerque" "contacted by TSA" "at a checkpoint" ... your "bags were searched" "but no ID found" and "FBI was contacted".)
Seriously, that's appalling how inaccurate his account was.
(I mean, he was "on duty" "in uniform" "with a badge" "at Albuquerque" "contacted by TSA" "at a checkpoint" ... your "bags were searched" "but no ID found" and "FBI was contacted".)
Seriously, that's appalling how inaccurate his account was.
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Feb 1, 2011, 12:27 am
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Yeah, but other than THAT, his story was accurate, right?
(I mean, he was "on duty" "in uniform" "with a badge" "at Albuquerque" "contacted by TSA" "at a checkpoint" ... your "bags were searched" "but no ID found" and "FBI was contacted".)
Seriously, that's appalling how inaccurate his account was.
(I mean, he was "on duty" "in uniform" "with a badge" "at Albuquerque" "contacted by TSA" "at a checkpoint" ... your "bags were searched" "but no ID found" and "FBI was contacted".)
Seriously, that's appalling how inaccurate his account was.
Feb 1, 2011, 1:16 am
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ABQ arrest: if he __'d then we can charge him w/ __ so let's say he __'d
Yep. And if you think that's bad, you should see the witness interviews. I'm not ready to share those, though.
I suspect that the usual pattern when someone hasn't done anything but annoy a cop is: Arrest -> devise charges -> write report to support claims in such a manner that it will stand up in court. You can hear him and Sergeant Rojas on Wiggins' belt tape talking about what to charge me with. It took about 90 minutes to write it all up.
I suspect that the usual pattern when someone hasn't done anything but annoy a cop is: Arrest -> devise charges -> write report to support claims in such a manner that it will stand up in court. You can hear him and Sergeant Rojas on Wiggins' belt tape talking about what to charge me with. It took about 90 minutes to write it all up.
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14:43:38 00:04:59 Dilley Go in there [inaudible]
14:43:42 00:05:03 Wiggins This thing's heavy, man.
14:43:54 00:05:15 Dilley [inaudible] afterward [inaudible]
? [inaudible] wanna leave that in there
14:44:09 00:05:30 ? [inaudible]
14:44:34 00:05:55 Dilley Do you have a driver's license or anything in your stuff?
Mocek I'm gonna remain silent. I'd like to talk to an attorney.
14:44:41 00:06:02 Dilley Okay, well we're gonna have to look through your bag for you to see if you do have an I.D.
14:44:44 00:06:05 Mocek I don't consent to any search.
Dilley Huh?
Mocek I do not consent to any search.
Dilley [inaudible]
14:45:32 00:06:53 ? [inaudible]
14:46:06 00:07:27 ? [inaudible]
14:46:13 00:07:34 Rojas If he refuses to depart the area [inaudible] can charge him with criminal trespass, too. Ah...
14:46:26 00:07:47 Dilley He refused several times to leave.
Rojas Okay. [inaudible] Don't forget the 90-day barment letter.
14:46:26 00:07:47 Dilley Okay. He's probably going to be uh, 16. We might... Probably just end up arresting him, and do the
barment later on. It's up to you.
Rojas Okay. How about-- Yeah, well, we need to make sure that we do a 90-day letter on him.
Dilley Yeah. You bet.
Rojas [inaudible]
Dilley Alright.
14:46:52 00:08:13 Rojas Is that the only form of documentation he had in his possession?
14:46:52 00:08:13 Dilley No, we're gonna find out. He said that he doesn't want to give us any information.
14:46:59 00:08:20 Mocek I don't consent to any search.
14:47:04 00:08:25 Dilley [inaudible] have a seat.
14:47:07 00:08:28 Dilley You wanna-- you wanna identify who you are, sir?
14:46:59 00:08:20 Mocek I'd like to remain silent. I want to speak to an attorney.
Dilley You don't want to identify yourself? You can say yes or no on that. Okay. I assume your silence
says no. You're gonna be booked under John Doe. You will remain in jail until the FBI is able to
identify who you are.
14:47:31 00:08:52 Mocek Does the law require me to provide my--
14:47:33 00:08:54 Dilley Sir please don't talk. You asked-- You said you don't want to talk, and you leave it at that. We're
not going to answer any questions. We're not going to ask you any questions. Please do not talk any
further. We've given you a chance to talk.
Feb 1, 2011, 2:04 am
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...I'm extremely fortunate to have recorded my interaction with TSA and police. The text of the criminal complaint Officer Dilley signed under penalty of perjury was:
- TSA staff did not tell him I yelled.
- He never introduced himself.
- He didn't ask me to comply with TSA staff; he told me that if I didn't comply with them, I would be escorted out of the airport.
- He didn't explain anything about TSA procedure or who must follow it.
- The TSA supervisor did not say anything about a photography policy (just "Why don't you put it down for now?" "Put it down for now" and "I'm telling you now, put it down for now.")
- I never raised my voice.
- He didn't order me to lower my voice (or ask me to do so, or say anything about lowering my voice, or anything about my voice at all).
- I didn't refuse to stop creating a disturbance four times (or three times or two times or once -- never).
- He didn't issue me a "verbal Criminal Trespass Order" or order me to leave the airport (he repeatedly told me that I would be escorted out if certain things did or did not happen, then eventually told me that I was being escorted out, at which point, I went with him).
- I didn't say anything about my rights a second time.
- He didn't tell me I was under arrest for disorderly conduct or for refusal to obey a lawful order (he said I was being investigated for disturbing the peace).
- He didn't ask my name.
- I didn't refuse to identify myself several times, or even once.
- He did not describe any consequences of neglecting to provide my name, and of course, I did not acknowlege such. (He never said one word about my name prior to my arrest.)
- I told him that I did not have any identity documents, not that I was not going to provide him with any identification of myself.
Phil's whole experience was eye-opening for me. I used to hate the TSA more than the police (though I have hated both for as long as I can remember). Now I hate the police more -- or at least some police. (And you never know when you'll run into another Dilley type.) You really have to wonder how many innocent people have been convicted based on perjured testimony.
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Feb 1, 2011, 5:01 am
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I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call it "perjured". Sure, there's a long list of things in the testimony that weren't an accurate representation of what happened, but most of the difference are rather subtle (e.g., saying Phil must comply with TSA policy vs. saying if he didn't, he'd be escorted out of the airport). It's true that we're talking about a law where these sorts of subtle things make a difference, but that's not normally the environment where most police operate. It's nowhere near the same sort of thing as saying that somebody was at a crime scene when they weren't and I'd be very reluctant to extrapolate from this to more traditional law enforcement situations.
Feb 1, 2011, 6:10 am
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As I posted earlier, Dilley was really frightening, a true psychopath. Watching him testify in court was like watching Ted Bundy: a guy who, on the surface, seems perfectly normal, even charming, but underneath is an extremely dangerous monster. That's Dilley. Compared to him, the TSA folks were sweet, chubby cherubs. Seriously.Bruce
Feb 1, 2011, 7:19 am
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As I posted earlier, Dilley was really frightening, a true psychopath. Watching him testify in court was like watching Ted Bundy: a guy who, on the surface, seems perfectly normal, even charming, but underneath is an extremely dangerous monster. That's Dilley. Compared to him, the TSA folks were sweet, chubby cherubs. Seriously.
Phil's whole experience was eye-opening for me. I used to hate the TSA more than the police (though I have hated both for as long as I can remember). Now I hate the police more -- or at least some police. (And you never know when you'll run into another Dilley type.) You really have to wonder how many innocent people have been convicted based on perjured testimony.
Bruce
Phil's whole experience was eye-opening for me. I used to hate the TSA more than the police (though I have hated both for as long as I can remember). Now I hate the police more -- or at least some police. (And you never know when you'll run into another Dilley type.) You really have to wonder how many innocent people have been convicted based on perjured testimony.
Bruce
A more complete cast of characters is:
Albuquerque Airport Police Department officer Robert F. “Bobby” Dilley (badge number 116)
Albuquerque Airport Police Department officer Landrow “Wiggy” Wiggins (badge number 137)
Albuquerque Airport Police Department officer Julio A. De La Peńa (badge number 135)
TSA staff LTSO Jonathon Breedon
TSA staff TSM Gerald Romero
TSA staff STSO Anthony M. Schreiner
TSA staff Greg Martinez
TSA staff BDO Laura Moots
This will ensure more hits for future Google searches for their names, e.g. when the goons try to find a new line of work. The more complete the on-line references now, the more it will follow them around for the rest of their lives.
Albuquerque Airport Police Department officer Landrow “Wiggy” Wiggins (badge number 137)
Albuquerque Airport Police Department officer Julio A. De La Peńa (badge number 135)
TSA staff LTSO Jonathon Breedon
TSA staff TSM Gerald Romero
TSA staff STSO Anthony M. Schreiner
TSA staff Greg Martinez
TSA staff BDO Laura Moots
Feb 1, 2011, 7:35 am
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Good idea, though I can't help wondering how many Robert F. Dilleys there are in the United States. I hope only one, but who knows?
Bruce
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Feb 1, 2011, 8:05 am
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Throughout his testimony, I kept thinking "He knows there was a video, right? He's seen the video, no? He knows what he actually said and did was recorded, right?" And, yet....
This sort of thing is going to begin to right itself as more people carry phones with video and voice recording capabilities and as they begin to use them to capture ordinary events (passing through an airport checkpoint)...and then find those events suddenly become extraordinary (being accused of four crimes.) There is going to be a higher standard (as there was here) than one's memories or than one's wishful thinking.
This sort of thing is going to begin to right itself as more people carry phones with video and voice recording capabilities and as they begin to use them to capture ordinary events (passing through an airport checkpoint)...and then find those events suddenly become extraordinary (being accused of four crimes.) There is going to be a higher standard (as there was here) than one's memories or than one's wishful thinking.
Feb 1, 2011, 8:20 am
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Feb 1, 2011, 8:29 am
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Feb 1, 2011, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by Website
There are 104 people in the U.S. named Robert Dilley.
Just one Bruce Schobel!
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Feb 1, 2011, 8:44 am
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Let's be very clear here. There's nothing wrong with Officer Robert F. Dilley's memory. He's just a liar, plain and simple. And he tried to use his lies maliciously to convict an innocent man. He -- and his defenders -- can claim memory lapses all they like; I will never believe that.
I heard the tape three times and was in a quiet and calm environment when I did. And I misremembered it. Dilley heard him once and in a stressful environment with a lot going on.
When you hear something, you immediately interpret it. And what you normally remember hearing is that interpretation, whether correct or not.
Feb 1, 2011, 9:44 am
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BUT, there's a big difference between 1) the difference between a) "I'm not going to answer any questions" and b) "I'm going to remain silent" and 2) the difference between a) ordering someone to leave four times, after each of which he refused, sometimes explicitly, followed by issuance of a verbal criminal trespass order and b) never once ordering or even asking someone to leave, eventually telling him to accompany you out, at which point he promptly complies.
Feb 1, 2011, 9:57 am
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But by throwing in a couple specific search terms, e.g. +albuquerque & +police, which any experience researcher would do, you will very quickly zero in on the right person.
I've found people I went to school with 50 years ago by Googling their names or their parents' names along with info that is known about them.
I've found people I went to school with 50 years ago by Googling their names or their parents' names along with info that is known about them.
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