May 15, 2014, 8:16 am
Last edit by: StartinSanDiego
This thread is now archived. Please follow the topic here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1986148-chase-closed-my-credit-card-account-s-tales-speculation-2019-thread.html
If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:
CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html
On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.
Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:
001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
If you feel your account has been unfairly closed, consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Protection Financial Bureau:
CFPB's complaint form: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/
When someone reports an account closure here, a lot of the same questions get asked. It might be useful to answer some questions in advance. This could help figure out what happened or how to proceed:
- Did you transfer UR points to someone with a different address? Different last name?
- Did you sell UR points to someone?
- Approximately what percentage of your charges earned less than 5x points in the past 12 months?
- Did a Chase or non-Chase bank recently close one of your credit cards?
- Are you using up a large percentage of your credit line on all Chase and non-Chase credit cards?
- Is your total credit line with Chase much higher than with other banks?
- Did you apply for many credit cards or other forms of credit in the past 2 months? ("Many" may be hard to define.)
- If you have a Chase checking account how much did you typically deposit in money orders per month, if any?
- Did you recently start spending a lot more with Chase than in typical months?
- Is your monthly balance frequently close to your credit limit?
- Approximately what percentage of spending was on gift cards this year?
- How much of your bill do you typically pay using WM or KMart bill payment if any?
- Do you have a Chase mortgage or other account that might be profitable to Chase?
- Has your credit score or credit profile changed recently? As in: significantly more debt, more open credit lines, or a large drop in your credit score?
2013.9
2013.12 2014.6
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase...ta-points.html
On 1/4/15, LivelyFL noted that 34 posts have referenced account closures (updated 1/25/15):
1, 55, 80, 108, 117, 129, 146, 165, 182, 212, 221, 222, 232, 235, 262, 272, 281, 326, 364, 410, 411, 428, 475, 477, 482, 513, 552, 586, 620, 648, 656, 662, 714, 718, 784 and 815.
Mortgasm provided more detail as follows:
001 - moarmiles little explaination - 'inconsistent spending'
055 - brettskyg chase gift cards tiny ms
080 - Artemk checking chase gift card, tiny MS, international wires, wall-mart BP
108 - TTnc4me (105 actually) no info
117 - rodsren
129 - Kybosh chase gift card checking
146 - mintcilantro - checking 6k/month MS, BB payments from another ss#, some MO/AP, 7new cards in 90days, short cycling
165 - newcomr - checking
182 - thehawk75 - heavy MSw/other banks,
212 - LRD - 2x spend of 20k /month (on two cards), checking
221 - iceman 77_7, no info
222 - jk2 no info
232 - hitman1420 checking , heavy MS activity (no number)
235 - clearlyanewb checking, MS activity (10k AGC and more), light credit history, 10 recent inquiries
262 - brc01 - shortcycling, some MS (18k/month over a few cards), 1
272 - rambo - 70% MS on 5 cards, WM BP of 16k/month on 5 cards
281 - prestonv - heavy MS - 20k/month on multiple chase cards, heavy WMBP (ink stayed open)
326 - pacupgo - false alarm, no shutdown
364 - edh101985 - tiny MS (bonus only) , 4 chase cards in 6 months,
410 - msetr - lots of freedom/ink ms
411 - standaman360 - international wires (business), million dollar balances,
428 - queensgambit - gambling transactions, UR point transfer from SO, 5 chase apps 3 new chase cc in 45 days, Blogger points coach
475 - dogloverjb - checking, international wires,
477 - ftomasz - 14 inquiries in 8 months, 5 chase, minimal MS, rapid upswing in credit, paying from multiple accounts
482 - liw5215 - Heavy MS, re-entered after 13 months
513 - thegasguru - checking, $3k/month MO to checking, NO MS, AP,
552 - LAXtoWorld - 3 cards in 30 days
586 - adavydov7 checking, $1k APs,
648 - CMHFlyerOH - checking, MO, 3k gift cards
656 - I can see for miles - Maxed UR 5x rewards on Freedom and Ink cards. Chased closed all accounts. Was approved for Ritz Carlton card 14 months later and did nothing unusual with it, other than lower CL from 30K to 10K to free up CL for possible approvals. Two subsequent Chase apps (Chase Ink and Marriott Rewards), on separate dates 3+ months later, were declined for a "previous unsatisfactory relationship ..."
662 - frogdog51 - Chase VGCs (Reapproved in 12 months)
677 - Subdawg - closed for piggybacking
714 - Mamibear - 'abuse' redcard MS
718 - maxswanson - MS, 11 chase cards, traded UR, (reapproved after 12 months)
752 - peaser - "reputational risk" associated with the business (decision reversed later)
757 - uncommonsensical checking, 3 Cashier's Check deposits with quick w/d (the w/d were to pay CHASE credit cards! ridiculous 'loss prevention' dept. gods). All CC's closed 2 days later. Tried EX Office- they seem to have zero power once the Mullah in loss prevention has issued a fatwa (my guess: some 27 year old with a god complex).
762 - knopfler - checking closed (all credit cards closed in both mine and Mrs. Knopflers accounts about three weeks after checking closure)
771 - milemonkey - 'reputational Risk" connected to Attorney General lawsuit
784 - unstable one: 2 cash deposits over 10k to chase checking
815 - dukerau - one time UR point sale, 77% spending is 5x,
Chase closed my credit card account(s) [Archived 2013-mid 2019]
Jul 6, 2018, 8:28 am
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If you go way back on this thread you would find FT member jk2 has a very legit dispute (the merchant delivered an inferior and different product versus what he ordered), that has triggered closure. But jk2 has had multiple Chase closures anyway. His experiences with Chase are quite interesting to read if you so incline.
In the Citi forum, there was a thread over a year ago or even longer, also with similar scenario - a dispute on a duplicate charge from the merchant and led to account closure. IIRC it was the first time the cardholder disputed a charge which showed up on his card twice for something he ordered. Merchant supplied one invoice showing the order but the problem was, merchant charged his card twice. What are you going to do?
Jul 6, 2018, 9:13 am
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Someone with an extremely high income usually sees little use in obtaining credit when they can just save money by not paying interest.
A person could be 45 years old, have an extremely high income, have no inquiries and one account on their credit report, no carried balances, no late payments and have excellent credit... Certainly enough to get a card with a $30,000+ limit.
Everyone who takes out a loan is a risk. Everyone.
In the Citi forum, there was a thread over a year ago or even longer, also with similar scenario - a dispute on a duplicate charge from the merchant and led to account closure. IIRC it was the first time the cardholder disputed a charge which showed up on his card twice for something he ordered. Merchant supplied one invoice showing the order but the problem was, merchant charged his card twice. What are you going to do?
Jul 6, 2018, 11:27 pm
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Who cares which bank is the brightest issuer? The key is, Citi has the greatest AA churn... in case you are not aware such... an involuntary closure would set you back 3+ years before you can rejoin the party again when the party goers are getting hundreds of thousands miles a year... And with that rate of raking in AA miles , the Citi party goers could not care less about Chase or whoever being the brightest issuer.
Jul 7, 2018, 5:13 am
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Who cares which bank is the brightest issuer? The key is, Citi has the greatest AA churn... in case you are not aware such... an involuntary closure would set you back 3+ years before you can rejoin the party again when the party goers are getting hundreds of thousands miles a year... And with that rate of raking in AA miles , the Citi party goers could not care less about Chase or whoever being the brightest issuer.
Jul 7, 2018, 5:16 am
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Jul 7, 2018, 6:46 am
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Not to mention voluntary closure has nothing to do with churning cards. Sure, you may be ineligible, but that's outside the scope of this thread.
Jul 7, 2018, 6:52 am
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Further discussion of the Citi AA card has been moved:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/citi...-business.html
Information about Barclays AA cards is here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cred...d-now-50k.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/citi...-business.html
Information about Barclays AA cards is here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cred...d-now-50k.html
Jul 8, 2018, 12:34 pm
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What is Barclays' bonus policy? Right now, they're offering the Red Aviator card that gives 50,000 miles after your first purchase and annual fee payment.
Not to mention voluntary closure has nothing to do with churning cards. Sure, you may be ineligible, but that's outside the scope of this thread.
Not to mention voluntary closure has nothing to do with churning cards. Sure, you may be ineligible, but that's outside the scope of this thread.
That led to your claim of "Citi is not the brightest issuer" that nobody cares about... It eventually led to the discussion mia correctly moved / redirected to the appropriate threads for those who want to gain more knowledge.
Jul 8, 2018, 3:41 pm
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Who is talking about voluntary closure here? I thought I mentioned about Citi closed someone's card after he disputed a duplicate charge. It would make the person ineligible for any Citicard for 3+ years.
That led to your claim of "Citi is not the brightest issuer" that nobody cares about... It eventually led to the discussion mia correctly moved / redirected to the appropriate threads for those who want to gain more knowledge.
That led to your claim of "Citi is not the brightest issuer" that nobody cares about... It eventually led to the discussion mia correctly moved / redirected to the appropriate threads for those who want to gain more knowledge.
My point is if an issuer closes your card, move on, it isn't the end of the world.
Jul 10, 2018, 1:21 pm
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LOL.
I can't believe some of the people on these boards.
I can't believe some of the people on these boards.
Jul 12, 2018, 7:43 pm
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Well, chase shutdown 
Me and my wife (and other relatives at a different address with the same last name).
All 800+ Fico's no high utilization, no recent chase apps (last ones 7+ months ago)
Only info chase will give regarding the shutdown is that "it's from the compliance dept, and it's a final decision".
We all tried calling multiple times for a review, nothing doing.
Any ideas? What should our next step be...
Me and my wife (and other relatives at a different address with the same last name).
All 800+ Fico's no high utilization, no recent chase apps (last ones 7+ months ago)
Only info chase will give regarding the shutdown is that "it's from the compliance dept, and it's a final decision".
We all tried calling multiple times for a review, nothing doing.
Any ideas? What should our next step be...
Jul 12, 2018, 8:08 pm
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After a Chase shutdown, how long usually after do the spouse's cards get shut down? If say the spouse's cards aren't shut down after two weeks--is the spouse's accounts usually safe?
Jul 12, 2018, 8:08 pm
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Well, chase shutdown
Me and my wife (and other relatives at a different address with the same last name).
All 800+ Fico's no high utilization, no recent chase apps (last ones 7+ months ago)
Only info chase will give regarding the shutdown is that "it's from the compliance dept, and it's a final decision".
We all tried calling multiple times for a review, nothing doing.
Any ideas? What should our next step be...
Me and my wife (and other relatives at a different address with the same last name).
All 800+ Fico's no high utilization, no recent chase apps (last ones 7+ months ago)
Only info chase will give regarding the shutdown is that "it's from the compliance dept, and it's a final decision".
We all tried calling multiple times for a review, nothing doing.
Any ideas? What should our next step be...
Look in the wiki and post the answers to those first 14 questions here.
Jul 12, 2018, 10:48 pm
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Well, chase shutdown
Me and my wife (and other relatives at a different address with the same last name).
All 800+ Fico's no high utilization, no recent chase apps (last ones 7+ months ago)
Only info chase will give regarding the shutdown is that "it's from the compliance dept, and it's a final decision".
We all tried calling multiple times for a review, nothing doing.
Any ideas? What should our next step be...
Me and my wife (and other relatives at a different address with the same last name).
All 800+ Fico's no high utilization, no recent chase apps (last ones 7+ months ago)
Only info chase will give regarding the shutdown is that "it's from the compliance dept, and it's a final decision".
We all tried calling multiple times for a review, nothing doing.
Any ideas? What should our next step be...